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<entry id="2282459" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1008790</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>とんでも無い</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>飛んでもない</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>とんでもない</reb>
<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&adj-i;</pos>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<gloss>unthinkable</gloss>
<gloss>unexpected</gloss>
<gloss>absurd</gloss>
<gloss>outrageous</gloss>
<gloss>preposterous</gloss>
<gloss>terrible</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&int;</pos>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<gloss>absolutely not!</gloss>
<gloss>far from it!</gloss>
<gloss>impossible!</gloss>
<gloss>preposterous!</gloss>
<gloss>what a thing to say!</gloss>
<gloss>no way!</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&int;</pos>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<gloss>(it was) no bother at all</gloss>
<gloss>not at all</gloss>
<gloss>don't mention it</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2010-08-28 19:31:38" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Scott</upd_name>
<upd_refs>必携 類語実用辞典</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -4,0 +4,3 @@
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;飛んでもない&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
@@ -8,6 +11,0 @@
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;とんでもありません&lt;/reb&gt;
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;とんでもございません&lt;/reb&gt;
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
@@ -16,0 +13,1 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;
@@ -24,0 +22,1 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;
@@ -35,0 +34,1 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-08-28 23:39:12" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>the kanji headword is wrong, and it's rare in comparison to the kana version. i don't really want a 'wrong' headword to be the only one we have, even if it's [uk].  but it's common enough to be worth having.

maybe 飛んでもない[とんでもない] should get its own entry that redirects to とんでもない?  otherwise 飛んでもない could be placed in a note, or we could have a note that the kanji are wrong</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-08-29 00:11:14" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Scott</upd_name>
<upd_detl>You could place it in a note.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-08-29 00:37:13" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Tagged as iK. I'd like the kanji form kept as although wrong, it's sadly common. I want a keep an eye on the text-glossing aspect. I notice Yahoo says ""とんでもない" ではありませんか？"</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -6,0 +6,1 @@
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;iK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-10-14 04:59:42" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Scott</upd_name>
<upd_diff>@@ -7,0 +7,3 @@
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;とんでも無い&lt;/keb&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-10-14 10:20:50" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jll</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jean-Luc Leger</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>moving up とんでも無い as it is more common</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,0 +5,3 @@
+&lt;keb&gt;とんでも無い&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
@@ -7,3 +10,0 @@
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
-&lt;keb&gt;とんでも無い&lt;/keb&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-01-13 23:56:33" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_detl>I love that this expression can mean both "you're welcome" and "bullshit"! Is that really accurate?</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-01-14 00:10:28" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Yes.  As in English:
A: "Thank you."
B: "Don't be ridiculous."  (= "You're welcome.")</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-07-08 20:40:38" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Scott</upd_name>
<upd_detl>Shouldn't this be adj-i? I can find とんでもなく、とんでもなかった</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -16,1 +16,1 @@
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adj-f;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adj-i;&lt;/pos&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-07-08 21:21:46" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-02-20 03:08:38" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>winnie</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -22,0 +22,1 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;terrible&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-02-20 04:06:32" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-11-04 23:38:14" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>johan</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Johan Råde</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,0 +6 @@
+&lt;ke_pri&gt;ichi1&lt;/ke_pri&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-11-05 00:14:02" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-12-31 07:57:24" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>The sentence とんでもなく美味しいです was raised on the remnant SLJ mailing list. It's not 
uncommon, and of course means something like "extremely delicious". I'm not sure the current 
とんでもない entry handles it. Should anything be added or changed?</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-12-31 11:31:31" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think it's a somewhat colloquial use of sense 1. Similar to "ridiculously delicious"/"absurdly delicious".
I don't think we need [col] on sense 2.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>daijr (sense 1); "全く思いがけない。常識では考えられない。意外だ。とほうもない。"
gg5</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -20 +20 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;unexpected&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;absurd&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -22 +22 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;offensive&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;preposterous&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -27 +26,0 @@
-&lt;misc&gt;&amp;col;&lt;/misc&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-12-31 21:46:41" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Looks better.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-09-30 03:22:52" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think "bullshit" is too strong/rude.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>daijs 1. unexpected 2) outrageous, 3 not at all (相手の言葉を強く否定していう)
daijr 1. completely unexpected, unreasonable 2. outrageous 3. not at all (相手の言うことを強く否定する語)
koj 1. unthinkable, unexpected, 2. not at all

Interestingly they don't have our sense 3 which is used in polite conversation. of course it's a subset of what's in 
their "相手の言うことを強く否定する語" but it definitely does need to be spelled out for learners.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -19,0 +20 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;unexpected&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -26 +27 @@
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;exp;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;int;&lt;/pos&gt;
@@ -29 +29,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;not at all!&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -35 +34,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;bullshit&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -38 +37 @@
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;exp;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;int;&lt;/pos&gt;
@@ -39,0 +39,2 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;(it was) no bother at all&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;not at all&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -41 +41,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;you're welcome&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-09-30 04:05:08" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-01-12 03:13:26" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Kyle Ong</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>added definition</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/word/%E3%81%A8%E3%82%93%E3%81%A7%E3%82%82%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84/#jn-162083
スーパー大辞林
https://ejje.weblio.jp/content/%E3%81%A8%E3%82%93%E3%81%A7%E3%82%82%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84
https://thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/%E3%81%A8%E3%82%93%E3%81%A7%E3%82%82%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -18,0 +19,8 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;unexpected&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;unforeseen&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;unpredicted&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;surprising&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adj-i;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;
@@ -20 +27,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;unexpected&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -23,0 +31,5 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;unreasonable&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adj-i;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;
@@ -24,0 +37,8 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;awful&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;(very) bad&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;severe&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;intense&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;great&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;extreme&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;tremendous&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;enormous&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-01-12 05:20:46" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I don't think this proposed edit helps much. Increasing the glosses to 29 and the senses to 5 seems like overkill, and the references don't really support the changes. Moreover the senses no longer match  the examples or cross-references. Unless a good case is made I'll revert it to the current version.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-01-16 05:58:51" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK. I'm putting it back the way it was.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -18,0 +19 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;unthinkable&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -20,8 +20,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;unforeseen&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;unpredicted&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;surprising&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;/sense&gt;
-&lt;sense&gt;
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adj-i;&lt;/pos&gt;
-&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;unthinkable&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -31,5 +23,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;unreasonable&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;/sense&gt;
-&lt;sense&gt;
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adj-i;&lt;/pos&gt;
-&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;
@@ -37,8 +24,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;awful&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;(very) bad&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;severe&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;intense&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;great&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;extreme&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;tremendous&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;enormous&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-01-17 01:46:14" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_refs>とんでもない	2270983	98.8%
とんでも無い	19628	0.9% not in any dictionary
飛んでもない	7547	0.3%
飛んでも無い	691	0.0%</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,0 +6 @@
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -10 +11 @@
-&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;iK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -18 +18,0 @@
-&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;
@@ -28 +27,0 @@
-&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;
@@ -38 +36,0 @@
-&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-01-17 07:07:36" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-01-17 07:41:36" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -7 +6,0 @@
-&lt;ke_pri&gt;ichi1&lt;/ke_pri&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-11-08 02:59:33" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -17,0 +18 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;
@@ -26,0 +28 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;
@@ -35,0 +38 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
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