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<k_ele>
<keb>値</keb>
<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>news1</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>nf07</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>価</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>價</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>あたい</reb>
<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
<re_pri>news1</re_pri>
<re_pri>nf07</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<misc>&form;</misc>
<s_inf>esp. 価</s_inf>
<gloss>price</gloss>
<gloss>cost</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<misc>&form;</misc>
<s_inf>esp. 値</s_inf>
<gloss>value</gloss>
<gloss>worth</gloss>
<gloss>merit</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<field>&math;</field>
<field>∁</field>
<s_inf>esp. 値</s_inf>
<gloss>value</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2010-09-08 11:14:51" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Scott</upd_name>
<upd_diff>@@ -16,0 +16,4 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>價</keb>
+<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
@@ -20,0 +24,1 @@
+<re_restr>價</re_restr></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-09-08 16:39:45" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-09-11 20:03:15" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Winnie</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>値 can also be used to mean "bid", as in an auction.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-09-11 20:28:25" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>あたいする is already an entry. putting math (which all dics have) over compsci (which few have)
i don't think "bid" should be added without a ref</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -51,7 +51,0 @@
-<field>&comp;</field>
-<gloss>variable (computer programming, programing)</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<stagr>あたい</stagr>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
@@ -64,3 +57,5 @@
-<pos>&vs;</pos>
-<gloss>to have value</gloss>
-<gloss>to have merit</gloss>
+<stagr>あたい</stagr>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
+<field>&comp;</field>
+<gloss>variable (computer programming, programing)</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-09-11 23:00:55" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I detest "programing".</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-07-10 00:57:13" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>- splitting according to koj, daij, etc. i want to add usage notes for the kanji that apply to あたい but not to ね. in addition, this is on the borderline of 2/3 rule because of all the restrictions. the notes would mean it fails 2/3
- sense 4 = the value represented by the variable, not the variable (変数) itself. really raises the question of whether we need two senses there for math vs. comp sci. i think we can just merge them</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%A4%89%E6%95%B0_(%E3%83%97%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B0%E3%83%A9%E3%83%9F%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0)
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%80%A4_(%E6%83%85%E5%A0%B1%E5%B7%A5%E5%AD%A6)</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -14,3 +13,0 @@
-<keb>直</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
@@ -22,3 +18,0 @@
-<re_restr>値</re_restr>
-<re_restr>価</re_restr>
-<re_restr>價</re_restr>
@@ -29,5 +22,0 @@
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ね</reb>
-<re_restr>値</re_restr>
-<re_restr>直</re_restr>
-</r_ele>
@@ -36,0 +26 @@
+<s_inf>esp. 値</s_inf>
@@ -42,0 +33 @@
+<s_inf>esp. 価</s_inf>
@@ -48 +38,0 @@
-<stagr>あたい</stagr>
@@ -51,0 +42,2 @@
+<field>&comp;</field>
+<s_inf>esp. 価</s_inf>
@@ -53,9 +44,0 @@
-<gloss>count</gloss>
-<gloss>number</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<stagr>あたい</stagr>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
-<field>&comp;</field>
-<gloss>variable (computer programming, programing)</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-07-10 04:11:07" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-03-15 23:52:42" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%80%A4_(%E8%A8%88%E7%AE%97%E6%A9%9F%E7%A7%91%E5%AD%A6)
I think "価" on sense 3 was a typo.
Various kokugos (meikyo, obunsha, iwakoku) have 値 for sense 3.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -25 +24,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
@@ -32 +30,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
@@ -40 +37,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
@@ -43 +40 @@
-<s_inf>esp. 価</s_inf>
+<s_inf>esp. 値</s_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-03-16 03:32:18" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-11-04 17:44:36" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>I only looked at sense [3] the last time I edited this entry, but it looks like the other two sense notes are wrong as well.
* Meikyo has 価 on the "price; cost" sense.
* Obunsha has a long 〘使い分け〙 section in which it explains that 価 is associated with monetary sums and 値 is used for abstract merit and worth.
* Sankoku splits 値 and 価 into separate entries and describes 価 as "price; cost."
* GG5 also uses 価 in its example for the "price; cost" sense.
I'm adding [form] tags as well.
* Iwakoku says the "price; cost" sense is 既に古風.
* Shinmeikai describes both of these senses as やや改まった表現.
* Sankoku has a 文 tag both senses.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -25 +25,2 @@
-<s_inf>esp. 値</s_inf>
+<misc>&form;</misc>
+<s_inf>esp. 価</s_inf>
@@ -31 +32,2 @@
-<s_inf>esp. 価</s_inf>
+<misc>&form;</misc>
+<s_inf>esp. 値</s_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-11-04 20:16:04" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-11-05 20:35:06" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -15 +15 @@
-<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>