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<ent_seq>2858781</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>お友達</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>お友だち</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>おともだち</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<misc>&pol;</misc>
<gloss>friend</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<s_inf>used by parents, guardians, etc.</s_inf>
<gloss>child (one does not know)</gloss>
<gloss>another child</gloss>
<gloss>other children</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2023-09-16 23:34:07" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_detl>I hear this all the time, seems worth recording.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1015567060
「おともだち」という言い方について。
Q:親の私ですが、知らない子の事をお友達と呼ぶことに抵抗があります。
お友達と呼ぶ人が多いと思いますが、
同年齢くらいの子、もしくは年下の子が周りにいて、
お友達以外でなんと呼ぶ方法がありますか？
BA:私も抵抗があります。お友達じゃないじゃんね・・・って。
なんか意味わからん、と思うので、「他の子供さん」っていいます。公園で知らない子の三輪車とかに興味を示したときとかに「それは他の子供さんのだからダメだよ～」って。
Other answers:
「お友達」というのは、あまり親しくない子に対して使うことが多いと思います。
親しい子なら、名前で呼びますし、「友達」といいます。「お」が付くと他人行儀な感じで親しくない印象が強いです。
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一番差しさわりがないかな～？って感じで、私は知らない子も「おともだち」って言います。
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まったく抵抗ないです。。
お友達と呼ぶ事で、本当に友達になって遊んでくれたらうれしいな～と思ってるので。。</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-09-17 06:53:55" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Interesting.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-09-17 12:30:47" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -18,0 +19 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;other children&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-09-18 05:01:31" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-09-22 00:48:42" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Sense 2 is quite tricky to explain. I don't think children use the word in this way. Is [chn] still applicable here?</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,0 +6,4 @@
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;お友だち&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -18 +22,3 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;child (that one does not know)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;used when speaking to one's child or a child under one's care&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;child (one doesn't know)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;another child&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-09-22 02:00:23" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think [chn] should include words used by adults when speaking to children. I mean kids only say あんよ etc. because that's what their parents use those words with them. I'm sure some toddlers pick up on this to some extent too. I don't really think the note is necessary.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-10-09 04:01:53" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Closing for now.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -22 +21,0 @@
-&lt;s_inf&gt;used when speaking to one's child or a child under one's care&lt;/s_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-10-11 01:02:52" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I wasn't familiar with this use of the word but after reading various online discussions about it, my impression is that it's not used by children at all. I think we should indicate this in some way or another if we're tagging it as children's language. Maybe something simple like "used by parents, guardians, etc."</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -22 +22 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;child (one doesn't know)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;child (one does not know)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-10-20 03:34:29" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I agree.
I think [chn] is best kept for children's language, and if there enough cases to warrant it another tag created for "used by parents, ...".</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -21 +21 @@
-&lt;misc&gt;&amp;chn;&lt;/misc&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;used by parents, guardians, etc.&lt;/s_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>