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<entry id="2278830" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1270450</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>お節介</keb>
<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>御節介</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>おせっかい</reb>
<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&adj-na;</pos>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="1386200">節介</xref>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<gloss>meddling</gloss>
<gloss>meddlesomeness</gloss>
<gloss>nosiness</gloss>
<gloss>interference</gloss>
<gloss>officiousness</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<gloss>meddler</gloss>
<gloss>buttinsky</gloss>
<gloss>busybody</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2013-08-05 21:40:22" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>winnie</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I added as a second meaning, because it's just a noun, rather than an adj/noun.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/%E3%81%8A%E7%AF%80%E4%BB%8B  
http://www.wordreference.com/enja/meddler</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -25,0 +25,6 @@
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;meddler&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;buttinsky&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;busybody&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-08-05 23:23:39" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>ngrams, GG5, etc.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -19,0 +19,1 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;
@@ -27,0 +28,1 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-06-02 03:55:19" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>Google N-gram Corpus Counts
| お節介   | 161,171 | 40.5% |
| 御節介   |   2,296 |  0.6% |
| おせっかい | 234,141 | 58.9% |</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -9,0 +10 @@
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;rK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-06-02 08:47:10" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>There's nothing inherently wrong with marking 御- and -無い forms as rK, but I feel it's a little pointless. The original idea I had when I suggested it was mostly for it to be a study aid, to inform users they don't really need to bother remembering these kanji to feel they've "mastered" the word. When it comes to 御- and -無い, the kanji are common enough that everyone but the earliest beginners should be aware of them, and the usage of them is completely standard.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-06-02 11:00:34" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I agree. No harm tagging them, but probably not worth the effort.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-06-02 22:01:08" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>There are some entries in which 御 doesn't make the form [rK]
(ご飯:御飯 seems to be 90%:10%). It's a bit of a stretch, but I don't
think having this metadata is completely without value. If nothing
else, I think it's good (for the sake of our mental overhead) to keep
rules and categories consistent with as few exceptions as possible.

I wasn't planning on hunting down all of the [rK] 御 forms; I usually
just submit edits for terms as I come across them in real usage. It
only takes me a few seconds to grab the n-gram counts and paste them
here, so it's no burden on my part. But if the editors would rather
that I not submit edits which only contain this information, then I
will respect that. Please let me know.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-06-08 08:36:24" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>It's not that I rather we didn't add [rK] to the 御犬舎 in "ご犬舎;御犬舎"; it's more that it should be rather obvious that the ご form is the common one, and hence the signal in the [rK] is a bit wasted.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-10-01 21:53:09" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -10 +10 @@
-&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;rK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>



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