<entry id="2277387" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2752760</ent_seq>
<r_ele>
<reb>メンタンピン</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="2192360">立直・リーチ・1</xref>
<xref type="see" seq="2752740">断ヤオ・タンヤオ</xref>
<xref type="see" seq="2749750">平和・ピンフ</xref>
<xref type="see" seq="1537970">役・やく・4</xref>
<field>&mahj;</field>
<lsource xml:lang="chi"/>
<gloss>combination of rīchi, tanyao, and pinfu (common trio of yaku)</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2012-10-17 16:10:47" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>pupchurch</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Paul Upchurch</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>This could get very long by describing the parts, and it's something only someone actually interested in mahjong is likely to look up, so cross-references should be sufficient (and cleaner).</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B9%B3%E5%92%8C_%28%E9%BA%BB%E9%9B%80%29</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-10-25 05:51:23" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-12-21 05:45:15" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -12,0 +13 @@
+&lt;field&gt;&amp;mahj;&lt;/field&gt;
@@ -15 +16 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;combination of riichi, tan'yao, and pinfu (common trio of mahjong yaku)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;combination of riichi, tan'yao, and pinfu (common trio of yaku)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-12-05 05:57:21" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -17 +17 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;combination of riichi, tan'yao, and pinfu (common trio of yaku)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;combination of rīchi, tan'yao, and pinfu (common trio of melds)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-12-05 06:08:14" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-04-04 17:40:39" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>The メン in メンタンピン comes from メンゼン, which is one requirement for being able to declare riichi.

I think it's important to distinguish "melds" (pon/pung, chii/chow, kan/kong) from "yaku" (scoring patterns). Under standard riichi mahjong rules, there is one yaku that is not even composed of melds (chiitoitsu aka "7 pairs")</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -9 +9 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2192360"&gt;立直・リーチ・1&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2750630"&gt;門前・メンゼン&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -11,0 +12,2 @@
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2192360"&gt;立直・リーチ・1&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1537970"&gt;役・やく・4&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -16 +18 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;combination of rīchi, tan'yao, and pinfu (common trio of melds)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;combination of rīchi, tan'yao, and pinfu (common trio of yaku)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-04-04 21:17:27" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>We should decide if we want to use rīchi or riichi in these glosses</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://majyan-item.com/mentanpin/

Explanation of the origin of メン from 門前:

"このメンタンピンという言葉について、タンとピンは頭文字なのでタンヤオとピンフのことかなーと何となくわかりますが、メンって何？と思う人もいるかと思います。"
"このメンというのは面前（めんぜん）のメンとなります。"
"麻雀では、鳴きを入れていない手牌のことを面前といい、リーチという役は面前で聴牌した場合にのみ使用できる役です。"</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -19 +19 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;combination of rīchi, tan'yao, and pinfu (common trio of yaku)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss g_type="expl"&gt;combination of rīchi (for which menzen is a requirement), tan'yao, and pinfu (common trio of yaku)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-04-05 13:57:11" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Sounds like the 門前 origin of メン in メンタンピン might be of folk etymological or otherwise uncertain origin, so it might actually be best for us to omit it. Sorry for the confusion.

See my comment on yaku (1537970・役・やく[4]) as to why I believe we should refer to rīchi, tan'yao, and pinfu as "yaku" rather than "melds"</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://kinmaweb.jp/mahjong-yougo/mentanpin
"リーチの成立条件である「門前清（メンゼンチン：鳴いていない状態）」が由来と言われるが、定かではない。"

『麻雀 定石「何切る」301選』 by G・ウザク (ISBN-13: 978-4861999840) (Pg. 221 「麻雀用語集」)
"「メンタンピン」 リーチタンヤオピンフ、なぜかリーチをメンと言う"</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -9 +9 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2750630"&gt;門前・メンゼン&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2192360"&gt;立直・リーチ・1&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -12 +11,0 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2192360"&gt;立直・リーチ・1&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -19 +18 @@
-&lt;gloss g_type="expl"&gt;combination of rīchi (for which menzen is a requirement), tan'yao, and pinfu (common trio of yaku)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss g_type="expl"&gt;combination of rīchi, tan'yao, and pinfu (common trio of yaku)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-04-06 04:34:00" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>We don't use glosses tagged as "expl" unless there is already another gloss, typically romanized Japanese, which warrants detailed explanation.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -20 +20 @@
-&lt;gloss g_type="expl"&gt;combination of rīchi, tan'yao, and pinfu (common trio of yaku)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;combination of rīchi, tan'yao, and pinfu (common trio of yaku)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-04-07 23:46:04" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>More a portmanteau word than an abbreviation.
I don't think the タンピン x-ref is needed.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -14 +13,0 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2752750"&gt;タンピン&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -16 +14,0 @@
-&lt;misc&gt;&amp;abbr;&lt;/misc&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-04-09 01:44:34" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-09-19 00:24:39" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Aligning.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -15 +15 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;combination of rīchi, tan'yao, and pinfu (common trio of yaku)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;combination of rīchi, tanyao, and pinfu (common trio of yaku)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>