<entry id="2274682" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2131080</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>箸にも棒にもかからない</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>箸にも棒にも掛からない</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>はしにもぼうにもかからない</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&exp;</pos>
<pos>&adj-i;</pos>
<misc>&id;</misc>
<gloss>hopeless</gloss>
<gloss>incorrigible</gloss>
<gloss>beyond repair</gloss>
<gloss>good-for-nothing</gloss>
<gloss>terrible</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2007-01-21 00:00:00" stat="A">
<upd_detl>Entry created</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-04-19 15:34:00" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_detl>not sure translation is good</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;箸にも棒にもかからない&lt;/keb&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-04-19 21:11:47" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>棒にも掛から	1816
棒にもかから	10690
中辞典:  be incorrigible; be past praying for; 〈役立たず〉 be good for nothing</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -5 +5 @@
-&lt;keb&gt;箸にも棒にも掛からない&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;箸にも棒にもかからない&lt;/keb&gt;
@@ -8 +8 @@
-&lt;keb&gt;箸にも棒にもかからない&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;箸にも棒にも掛からない&lt;/keb&gt;
@@ -14,0 +15 @@
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adj-i;&lt;/pos&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-04-19 22:39:48" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -15,0 +16 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;id;&lt;/misc&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-04-20 23:54:08" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>gg5, prog, meikyo</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -18 +17,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;unmanageable&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -19,0 +19,3 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;beyond repair&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;good-for-nothing&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;terrible&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-04-21 07:44:01" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-08-13 17:25:24" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_detl>there's a variant form 箸にも棒にも引っかからない</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-08-14 12:18:21" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Possibly common enough to have as an entry. 引っかかる and 掛かる don't mean the same thing but some of the discussion implies that the かから is derived from 引っかから.
I'll leave this open for a short while in case anyone wants to create an entry (with proper references.)</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>棒にもかから	10690	80.2%
棒にも引っかから	2631	19.8%</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-08-15 23:26:25" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think it's non-standard but it's rather common. Plenty of web hits. I've drafted an entry.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-08-15 23:43:54" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Thanks</upd_detl>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>