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<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1606560</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>分かる</keb>
<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>news2</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>nf39</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>解る</keb>
<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>判る</keb>
<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>分る</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>わかる</reb>
<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
<re_pri>news2</re_pri>
<re_pri>nf39</re_pri>
<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&v5r;</pos>
<pos>&vi;</pos>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<gloss>to understand</gloss>
<gloss>to comprehend</gloss>
<gloss>to grasp</gloss>
<gloss>to see</gloss>
<gloss>to get</gloss>
<gloss>to follow</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&v5r;</pos>
<pos>&vi;</pos>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<gloss>to become clear</gloss>
<gloss>to be known</gloss>
<gloss>to be discovered</gloss>
<gloss>to be realized</gloss>
<gloss>to be realised</gloss>
<gloss>to be found out</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>∫</pos>
<gloss>I know!</gloss>
<gloss>I think so too!</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2011-03-03 21:29:12" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_diff>@@ -19,1 +19,1 @@
-<keb>分る</keb>
+<keb>別る</keb></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-03-03 22:20:44" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Eh? The only 別る I can find is あかる, which is not the same at all. Anyone else see a justification for this?</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-03-03 23:35:16" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>according to daijs, 分る is not io</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>-kojien has
わか・る【分かる・別る・判る・解る】
-daijs has
わか・る【別る】
although it specifies that it's actually the archaic form of 別れる.
-kojien doesn't make the distinction because it combines わか・れる【分かれる・別れる】, but since ~we~ keep our entries for 分かれる and 別れる separate, i don't think 別る should be added here. also, it also can't be given its own entry because it's a v2</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -19,2 +19,1 @@
-<keb>別る</keb>
-<ke_inf>&io;</ke_inf>
+<keb>分る</keb></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-03-04 00:57:46" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK, I agree with that analysis.
スーパー大辞林 3.0 has the following explanation of the difference between 分かれる and 別れる:
［表記］ わかれる （ 分 ・別 ）
「分かれる」は“一つのものが別々のいくつかになる。違いが生じる”の意。「タクシー三台に分かれて乗る」「道が分かれる」「この作品については評価が分かれる」
「別れる」は“離れて去る”の意。「駅で友達と別れる」「家族と別れて暮らす」「夫婦が別れる」</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-02-13 02:24:44" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>新和英中辞典 and prog have "(to) understand" rather than "to be
understood" ..?</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-02-13 23:01:30" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>GG5, etc. too.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -31,3 +31,6 @@
-<gloss>to be understood</gloss>
-<gloss>to be comprehended</gloss>
-<gloss>to be grasped</gloss>
+<gloss>to understand</gloss>
+<gloss>to comprehend</gloss>
+<gloss>to grasp</gloss>
+<gloss>to see</gloss>
+<gloss>to get</gloss>
+<gloss>to follow</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-10-15 09:02:18" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>johan</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Johan Råde</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>gg5 uses kana in the examples</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>G n-grams:
わかる 21853436
分かる 11513812
解る 1077609
判る 948510
分る 339759
-----
わかっ 14795258
分かっ 9635157
解っ 1114047
判っ 966361
分っ 346395</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -30,0 +31 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
@@ -40,0 +42 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-10-15 09:05:07" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-06-17 19:33:08" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_diff>@@ -49,0 +50,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&int;</pos>
+<gloss>I know!</gloss>
+<gloss>I think so too!</gloss>
+</sense></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-06-22 06:14:39" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-07-06 21:17:22" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Opencooper</upd_name>
<upd_refs>* meikyo: 「判」は物事がそれと判別・判断される意で、「違い［善悪］が判る」「先のことは判らない」などと、「解」は理解できる意で、「英語が解る」「気持ちはよく解る」などと好まれるが、今は一般に「分」。「文学が 解る／判る」では、前者は単に理解する意だが、後者は傑作・駄作などをよく区別して理解する意となる。
* https://japanese.stackexchange.com/a/117:
分かる: understand, know (a concept, a fact, etc)
判る: (think 判断できる) judge, discriminate (between right and wrong, between two similar things, etc)
解る: (think 理解できる) comprehend (a concept, an answer, etc)
* https://hinative.com/questions/995550
分かる is a very common term for the word "understand" (the fact, the concept etc...)
判る if you will look at the kanji you will think the word 判断できる which means judgement, discriminate, knowing the right from wrong, knowing between two similar things,
解る just think the word 理解できる which means to comprehend like knowing the answer of the problem etc...</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -31,0 +32 @@
+<s_inf>解る is used for comprehending; 判る is used for distinguishing or judging</s_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-07-15 02:05:19" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>While that information about 解る and 判る is interesting, it's also rather marginal. GG5 and ルミナス don't even show those kanji forms and the kokugos downplay them. (I'm dropping the "spec1" tags).
I suspect it's probably adding some unnecessary clutter to the entry.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>わかっ 14795258 55.8%
分かっ 9635157 36.3%
解っ 1114047 4.2%
判っ 966361 3.6%</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +11,0 @@
-<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
@@ -16 +14,0 @@
-<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
@@ -26 +23,0 @@
-<re_pri>spec1</re_pri></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-07-17 00:09:07" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>We decided on a 1M n-grams threshold for spec1. 解る and 判る meet this easily (when inflected forms are included).
But I don't think we can adequately explain the nuances of these forms in a short usage note.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
@@ -14,0 +16 @@
+<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
@@ -29 +30,0 @@
-<s_inf>解る is used for comprehending; 判る is used for distinguishing or judging</s_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-07-17 12:03:20" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Hmm. I feel those low percentages and absence from major dictionaries should gazump the counts. Not a big deal.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -25,0 +26 @@
+<re_pri>spec1</re_pri></upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>