<entry id="2237495" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2517360</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>物自体</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>もの自体</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>ものじたい</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<gloss>the thing itself</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<field>&phil;</field>
<gloss>thing-in-itself (in Kantianism)</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2009-08-24 00:00:00" stat="A">
<upd_detl>Entry created</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-11-30 10:37:34" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Nicolas Maia</upd_name>
<upd_detl>Could have a separate gloss for the philosophy term, but I don't think it's needed.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +11,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;Ding an sich&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-11-30 10:58:48" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think it's this.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>GG5, 中辞典</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +12,3 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;thing in itself&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;field&gt;&amp;phil;&lt;/field&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;trans. of Kant's "Ding an sich"&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;the thing in itself&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-11-30 12:32:27" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Nicolas Maia</upd_name>
<upd_detl>I'd favor keeping it more general. I came across this word today on an Amazon review.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-12-01 23:08:02" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Yes, its use certainly isn't restricted to Kantian philosophy.
I think we should have two senses.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing-in-itself
物自体	37639	52.7%
もの自体	33791	47.3%</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;もの自体&lt;/keb&gt;
@@ -11,0 +15,4 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;the thing itself&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
@@ -13,2 +20,2 @@
-&lt;s_inf&gt;trans. of Kant's "Ding an sich"&lt;/s_inf&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;the thing in itself&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;in Kantian philosophy&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;thing-in-itself&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-12-02 07:33:10" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-05-13 21:39:16" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -20,2 +20 @@
-&lt;s_inf&gt;in Kantian philosophy&lt;/s_inf&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;thing-in-itself&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;thing-in-itself (in Kantianism)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>