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<entry id="2229156" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1188640</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>何ヶ月</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>何ヵ月</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>何か月</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>何カ月</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>何ケ月</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>何箇月</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>なんかげつ</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<gloss>how many months</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2015-08-09 11:22:57" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>luce</upd_name>
<upd_refs>n-grams</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -3,0 +4,3 @@
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;何ヶ月&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
@@ -9,3 +11,0 @@
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
-&lt;keb&gt;何ヶ月&lt;/keb&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2015-08-10 00:15:25" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-04-04 16:25:30" stat="A">
<upd_uid>johan</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Johan Råde</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>G n-grams:
何ヶ月	542260
何ヵ月	 28626
何カ月	 21622
何か月	 20097
何ケ月	  2227
何箇月	  1300</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -7,0 +8,6 @@
+&lt;keb&gt;何ヵ月&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;何カ月&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
@@ -8,0 +15,3 @@
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;何ケ月&lt;/keb&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-12-13 02:02:50" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Frazer Robinson</upd_name>
<upd_diff>@@ -28,2 +28,2 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;how many months?&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;how long?&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;how many months&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;how long&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-12-13 03:02:59" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -29 +28,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;how long&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-04-18 03:44:03" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I'm suggesting a second sense to cover this obviously common usage.
Despite being in GG5, I think 何箇月 should just be searchable.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>何ヶ月	542260	88.0%
何ヵ月	28626	4.6%
何カ月	21622	3.5%
何か月	20097	3.3%
何ケ月	2227	0.4%
何箇月	1300	0.2% &lt;- in GG5
GG5 and 中辞典: how many months?; how long?
All 12 Tanaka sentences use this to mean several/many months The JEs have examples such as:
その国には何か月か滞在することになるはずです. I expect to stay in that country for some months.
何か月も入院するんですか. それは大変ですね. You'll be in the hospital for months? That's awful.
何か月でも好きなだけ私の所にいていいですよ. You can stay at my place for as long as you like, months even.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -8,0 +9 @@
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -11,0 +13 @@
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -14,0 +17 @@
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -17,0 +21 @@
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -20,0 +25 @@
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -28 +33,7 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;how many months&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;how many months?&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;how long?&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1595540"&gt;数か月&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;several months&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-04-18 10:31:47" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I don't think we should have a second sense. See the discussion on 何人 (1189100). We could create entries for 何か月か and 何か月も.
We don't include question marks on glosses for 何[counter] terms. GG5 doesn't either. I don't like "how long". 
The ヶ月 x-ref seems unnecessary.
I'm very sceptical about those n-gram counts. Hard to believe that 何ヶ月 is so much more common than all the other forms. Certainly doesn't appear that way in web results or on Twitter.
I think we should have at least one visible form for ケ, カ and か.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -9 +9,3 @@
-&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;何か月&lt;/keb&gt;
@@ -13,4 +14,0 @@
-&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
-&lt;keb&gt;何か月&lt;/keb&gt;
@@ -32,3 +30 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1194480"&gt;ヶ月&lt;/xref&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;how many months?&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;how long?&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;how many months&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-04-18 12:04:00" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I'd forgotten the discussion on 何人/ なんにん. This is a related issue with も/か, and indeed all the examples I was seeing are one of those. Yes, having separate 何か月か and 何か月も entries is the way to go.
I'll leave this open until they are created and the sentences relinked.
It is 中辞典 which has the question marks. Both it and GG5 have the "how long" gloss.
FWIW the KM n-grams have the same pattern. Google searches are almost certainly folding them together.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -31,5 +30,0 @@
-&lt;/sense&gt;
-&lt;sense&gt;
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1595540"&gt;数か月&lt;/xref&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;several months&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-04-21 11:35:32" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I've proposed 何か月か and 何か月も entries.</upd_detl>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>



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