<entry id="2228372" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2821200</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>正蛋</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>生蛋</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>製蛋</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>セイタン</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="2833435">グルテンミート</xref>
<field>&food;</field>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<s_inf>from 正しいタンパク源</s_inf>
<gloss>seitan</gloss>
<gloss>wheat gluten</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2014-08-08 00:55:36" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>perhaps from 植物性タンパク.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%BB%E3%82%A4%E3%82%BF%E3%83%B3
and some other proper nouns but this meaning clearly dominates in google image hits</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-08-08 09:48:36" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -9,0 +10 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;wheat gluten&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2017-09-12 09:02:07" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>リーダーズ+プラス for derivation.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -8,0 +9 @@
+&lt;s_inf&gt;from 正しいタンパク源&lt;/s_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2017-09-12 09:32:54" stat="A">
<upd_uid>johan</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Johan Råde</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>This word refers to a particular kind of meat substitute made from gluten, not to gluten or gluten based food products in general.
Moreover, the term "seitan" is mostly used in the West; in Japan this product is usually called グルテンミート.
There are other more traditional gluten based food products in Japan known as 麩.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>jwiki(グルテンミート)</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -8,0 +9 @@
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2833435"&gt;グルテンミート&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -11 +12 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;wheat gluten&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss g_type="expl"&gt;meat substitute made from gluten&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2017-09-12 09:35:45" stat="A">
<upd_uid>johan</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Johan Råde</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +12 @@
-&lt;gloss g_type="expl"&gt;meat substitute made from gluten&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss g_type="expl"&gt;meat substitute made from wheat gluten&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-03-28 23:32:38" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Guillem Palau-Salvà</upd_name>
<upd_diff>@@ -10,0 +11 @@
+&lt;field&gt;&amp;food;&lt;/field&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-03-29 01:01:43" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-07-14 01:09:26" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I know Johan dropped the "wheat gluten" gloss in favour of the expl, but I suspect it may be more accurate to say "wheat gluten (esp. meat substitute made from it)" or something like that.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat_gluten_(food)
JWiki's セイタン (食品)  just redirects to the グルテンミート page</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-07-14 17:43:19" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Given that "wheat gluten" refers to the actual food (and is used interchangeably with "seitan") I think this should be fine.
Do we need the etymology note? The 正しい-&gt;セイ connection won't be obvious to a lot of people.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -13 +13 @@
-&lt;gloss g_type="expl"&gt;meat substitute made from wheat gluten&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;wheat gluten&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-07-14 21:12:46" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think the etymology note is useful.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-04-11 06:49:29" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Nicolas Maia</upd_name>
<upd_refs>https://plant-origin.org/seitan/ セイタンの漢字表記は「生蛋」で表されることもあれば、「正蛋」と表されることもあるなどして表記が一貫していません。
https://flour.empacede.co.jp/attention/plantbasemeat/ セイタン（seitan）という名前も彼が付けたと言われており、日本語では正蛋、生蛋、製蛋など、いくつか説があります（蛋は蛋白質の「蛋」）</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -3,0 +4,12 @@
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;正蛋&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;生蛋&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;製蛋&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
@@ -10,0 +23 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-04-11 07:11:07" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Not sure it adds much.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>0 n-grams.</upd_refs>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>