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<k_ele>
<keb>はさみ切る</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>挟み切る</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>剪み切る</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>はさみきる</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&v5r;</pos>
<pos>&vt;</pos>
<misc>&rare;</misc>
<gloss>to snip (off)</gloss>
<gloss>to nip off</gloss>
<gloss>to clip off</gloss>
<gloss>to trim off</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2022-11-10 10:55:28" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>剪み切る 0 0.0% < GG5
挟み切る 79 18.0% <- ルミナス
はさみきる 0 0.0%
はさみ切る 361 82.0% <- Unidic, ルミナス example</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -5 +5 @@
-<keb>剪み切る</keb>
+<keb>はさみ切る</keb>
@@ -8,0 +9,4 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>剪み切る</keb>
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-11-11 10:33:48" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -19,0 +20 @@
+<gloss>to snip (off)</gloss>
@@ -21,2 +22 @@
-<gloss>to snip</gloss>
-<gloss>to clip</gloss>
+<gloss>to clip off</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-03-29 14:21:38" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Brian Krznarich</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>So 剪み is an old/alt form of 鋏 (with 金 radical), and. 鋏む・剪む already means "to clip with scissors". So what is 剪み切る supposed to mean... I find the whole thing quite suspicious, but I guess [sK] is good enough (no ngrams, scant online evidence).
This is one of these scenarios where a "word" seems to exist only because Japanese people like to drop their particles. We don't *have* to mention that this "verb" is a rare formulation of a super-common construction はさみで切る (which で ), but it seems like it would be a nice thing to do...
not in sankoku in any form.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>剪み切る no matches
ハサミで切る 9068 59.2%
はさみで切る 5730 37.4%
剪み切って No matches
剪みで切って No matches
挟み切って 0 0.0%
はさみ切って 55 0.2%
ハサミ切って 30 0.1%
挟みで切って 124 0.4%
はさみで切って 13763 41.6%
ハサミで切って 19113 57.8%
はさみ切る 361 2.4%
ハサミ切る 39 0.3%
挟みで切る 32 0.2%
挟み切る 79 0.5%</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -19,0 +20,2 @@
+<misc>&rare;</misc>
+<s_inf>shortened form of the common はさみで切る</s_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-03-29 14:25:38" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Brian Krznarich</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Forgot [sK]</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +12 @@
-<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-03-29 14:26:52" stat="D" unap="true">
<upd_name>Brian Krznarich</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>(sorry for the double-post, the whole intention was to keep my edit, and secondarily vote to delete)
ルミネ and GG5 notwithstanding, if there isn't other evidence that this is a "word", I don't think we want to treat every occurrence of a dropped を、で、が、の etc. as a "word" (especially when rare).
Perhaps I have misread/mis-researched this term, but this is what it appears to me to be.
If it stays, I stand by my suggestion that this have a [note] giving the common form (not sure of the optimal wording). We can't xref, because ハサミで切る would never pass an obviousness test(nor do I think it should).</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-03-29 20:06:42" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Welcome to the interesting world of 複合動詞. Yes, it's rare but there is no evidence it's an abbreviation of はさみで切る.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -21 +20,0 @@
-<s_inf>shortened form of the common はさみで切る</s_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-03-29 20:09:46" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>剪み切る is in daijr, koj, gg5, and mentioned in shinmeikai</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +11,0 @@
-<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-03-29 20:13:31" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Thanks. I meant to remove that.</upd_detl>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>