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<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1434090</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>釣鐘</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>釣り鐘</keb>
<ke_pri>news2</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>nf42</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>吊り鐘</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>吊鐘</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>つりがね</reb>
<re_pri>news2</re_pri>
<re_pri>nf42</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<gloss>temple bell</gloss>
<gloss>hanging bell</gloss>
<gloss>funeral bell</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2014-04-15 00:25:01" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Merging 1895140.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Daijr: "釣（り）鐘". The JEs all have 釣り鐘. Ngrams has 釣鐘 leading 3:1</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -3,0 +4,3 @@
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;釣鐘&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
@@ -19 +22,3 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;temple bell (for striking)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;temple bell&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;hanging bell&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;funeral bell&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-04-15 08:56:58" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-03-16 06:58:14" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Brian Krznarich</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Any rationale for "funeral bell"?　I cannot find any.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -24 +23,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;funeral bell&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-03-16 09:23:26" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>GG5: a hanging bell; a temple bell; a funeral bell.
釣鐘	39095	72.6%
釣り鐘	13617	25.3%
吊り鐘	570	1.1%
吊鐘	553	1.0%</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -13,0 +14,5 @@
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;吊鐘&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -23,0 +29 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;funeral bell&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-03-17 04:27:20" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Brian Krznarich</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Is there any evidence here besides GG5. It is not infallible.

This literally just looks completely wrong, I cannot find a single Japanese source that comes close to supporting it.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-03-17 04:43:11" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I lived opposite a temple in Tokyo for quite a while. The temple bell was very much in evidence at funerals.
My 1931 predecessor to GG5 doesn't include that gloss, so it was obviously added between then and 2003. I don't have a problem with the gloss.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-03-17 06:06:31" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Brian Krznarich</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I was just going to add on that the likely source of this was the chiming of temple bells for funerals/for the dead.

But this doesn't make the bells themselves funeral bells, any more than church bells at a Catholic church are funeral bells. It just feels like a very odd gloss to put here.

I'm getting that E-&gt;J is of secondary concern at best, but "funeral bell" -&gt; "釣鐘" would be absurd.  And in the J-&gt;E direction, surely you would have the context of a funeral at play. "We heard the ringing of the 釣鐘", "we heard the ringing of the funeral bells".  I can see why this gloss might apply in some contexts, but I don't see why it's beneficial to have.

This feels like it would be more accurate as:
[expl] rung to announce the hour, for prayers, for funerals, etc.

(which is an [expl] I don't think anyone would ever add)</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_knell
A death knell is the ringing of a church bell immediately after a death to announce it...

===
But surely this doesn't turn "church bells" into "funeral bells"...</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-03-17 19:51:05" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>&gt;&gt; I'm getting that E-&gt;J is of secondary concern at best...
Indeed.</upd_detl>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>