<entry id="2224515" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1299450</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>雑然</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>ざつぜん</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&adj-t;</pos>
<pos>&adv-to;</pos>
<gloss>untidy (room, pile, etc.)</gloss>
<gloss>messy</gloss>
<gloss>cluttered</gloss>
<gloss>disorderly</gloss>
<gloss>jumbled (e.g. thoughts)</gloss>
<gloss>chaotic (lifestyle, atmosphere, etc.)</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2020-12-18 23:10:35" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Not a noun.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>daij, gg5, prog, ウィズダム</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -11 +10,0 @@
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
@@ -14,4 +13,4 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;disorderliness&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;confusion&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;jumble&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;mess&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;messy&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;untidy&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;disorderly&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;higgledy-piggledy&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-12-18 23:55:11" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-03-11 16:02:35" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Brian Krznarich</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>"aligning" with suggested changes to 雑然とした (apologies, all the refs went over there). 

Recommend the current 雑然とした entry be deleted.  Instead, copied a "とした" note from another entry.   Not sure how I feel about this. (Well, in fact I think it would be useful if these notes were used *more* often, but I think most する [adv-to] entries that could have such a note do not, so...).

I moved "messy" further back because it is ambiguous in English (can imply filth, a messy plate, or a room with food containers everywhere).  Pushing it back down the list surrounds it with terms indicating that this is primarily about disorder. 

I'd never heard the term "higgledy-piggledy", but that's on me. I'm surprised at how common it looks googling around.  Even so, I don't think it matches the tenor of this term.  Perhaps it would be a better gloss on something like めちゃくちゃな? (suggestion found on weblio). I'd be cautious though, as I think 雑然 and めちゃくちゃ are universally comprehensible (as are all of the glosses above), while higgledy-piggledy is maybe idiomatic, and a Japanese person maybe shouldn't be encouraged to use it as a J-&gt;E gloss without warning.

If you are all confident I'm the only one who doesn't know this term, then I understand if you put it back :)</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://ejje.weblio.jp/content/higgledy-piggledy
ひどく乱雑な、めちゃくちゃな

雑然	98589	  
雑然とし	75205</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -13 +13,4 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;messy&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;often 雑然とした, etc.&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;cluttered (e.g. desk)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;jumbled (e.g. thoughts)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;messy (e.g. room)&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -16 +19 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;higgledy-piggledy&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;chaotic (e.g. lifestyle, atmosphere)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-03-12 21:29:09" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>The JEs lead with untidy/messy. I think we should too.
雑然とした is very common but we wouldn't usually have a note unless the word appeared overwhelmingly in that form.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>gg5, prog
雑然	        98,589	
雑然とした	46,739</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -13,2 +13,4 @@
-&lt;s_inf&gt;often 雑然とした, etc.&lt;/s_inf&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;cluttered (e.g. desk)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;untidy (room, pile, etc.)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;messy&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;cluttered&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;disorderly&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -16,4 +18 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;messy (e.g. room)&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;untidy&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;disorderly&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;chaotic (e.g. lifestyle, atmosphere)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;chaotic (lifestyle, atmosphere, etc.)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>