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<ent_seq>2761770</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>へそで茶を沸かす</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>臍で茶を沸かす</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>へそで茶をわかす</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>臍で茶をわかす</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>へそでちゃをわかす</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&exp;</pos>
<misc>&id;</misc>
<gloss>what a joke!</gloss>
<gloss>don't make me laugh!</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&exp;</pos>
<pos>&v5s;</pos>
<misc>&id;</misc>
<gloss>to split one sides laughing</gloss>
<gloss>to be convulsed with laughter</gloss>
<gloss g_type="lit">to boil tea in one's navel</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2013-01-02 07:37:19" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_refs>Daijirin, Daijisen</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-01-05 11:51:09" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -15,3 +15,4 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;highly ridiculous&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;ludicrous&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;quite absurd&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;v5s;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;to do something ridiculous&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;to do something bizarre&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss g_type="lit"&gt;to boil tea in one's navel&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-01-08 05:11:48" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-12-03 01:52:40" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -15,0 +16 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;id;&lt;/misc&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-12-09 03:16:09" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-09-12 08:10:20" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>G n-grams:
へそで茶を沸かす	2202
臍で茶を沸かす	390
へそで茶をわかす	1066
臍で茶をわかす	&lt;20</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -7,0 +8,3 @@
+&lt;keb&gt;へそで茶をわかす&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
@@ -8,0 +12,3 @@
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;臍で茶をわかす&lt;/keb&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-09-13 21:50:47" stat="A">
<upd_uid>pupchurch</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Paul Upchurch</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-02-23 18:08:00" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Brian Krznarich</upd_name>
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<upd_detl>Adding an xref; There was already a reference in the other direction.

These expressions seem about equally popular, strongly related, but with significantly different nuances.  I can *easily* see how someone could search for へそが..., or へそで... base on something they have read, and find one term but not the other.

Usually it doesn't seem a great loss that jisho.org doesn't display backwards references, but this feels like an exception.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -21,0 +22,2 @@
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2830220"&gt;へそが茶を沸かす&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2830220"&gt;へそが茶を沸かす&lt;/xref&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-02-24 21:47:04" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
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<upd_detl>Do they have different nuances? The kokugos treat them as synonymous. These glosses don't look right to me.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>koj: おかしくてたまらないことにいう。「臍が茶を沸かす」「臍が宿がえする」「臍がくねる」ともいう。
daijs: おかしくてたまらない，ばかばかしいほど滑稽である，笑止千万である，などの意にいう。臍が宿替えする。臍が茶を沸かす。</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-02-24 22:42:28" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I agree with Robin.
I suggest contacting Kim at Jisho about the back-references.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-02-25 17:33:36" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>This should be aligned with へそが茶を沸かす.
The above prog example shows that it's not just an exclamation. We should probably have two senses.
へそで茶を沸かす appears to be significantly more common than へそが茶を沸かす. I think we can drop the x-ref from this entry.
I think back-references are helpful for editing purposes but not so helpful for learners. And they'd introduce a lot of clutter on some entries.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>gg5, prog, luminous
prog: 彼の身振りはへそが茶を沸かすほどおかしかった  His funny gestures threw us into a fit of laughter.／We split our sides at his funny gestures.
へそで茶を沸かす	2,202		
へそで茶をわかす	1,066		
臍で茶を沸かす	390		
臍で茶をわかす	0
---
へそで茶を	9,829		
へそが茶を	1,627</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -8,3 +7,0 @@
-&lt;keb&gt;へそで茶をわかす&lt;/keb&gt;
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
@@ -13,0 +11,4 @@
+&lt;keb&gt;へそで茶をわかす&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
@@ -14,0 +16 @@
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -20,0 +23,6 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;id;&lt;/misc&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;what a joke!&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;don't make me laugh!&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;exp;&lt;/pos&gt;
@@ -22 +29,0 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2830220"&gt;へそが茶を沸かす&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -24,2 +31,2 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;to do something ridiculous&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;to do something bizarre&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;to split one sides laughing&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;to be convulsed with laughter&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-02-26 02:03:51" stat="R">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Thread has been forked.</upd_detl>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>