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<entry id="2222652" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2446480</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>JR</keb>
<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>ジェイ・アール</reb>
<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>ジェイアール</reb>
<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf>
</r_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>ジェーアール</reb>
<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<gloss>Japan Railways</gloss>
<gloss>JR</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2009-05-24 00:00:00" stat="A">
<upd_detl>Entry created</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-05-05 23:56:06" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Far more common version (9M hits)</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -8,0 +8,4 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ジェイアール</reb>
+<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
+</r_ele></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-05-06 06:11:40" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2015-06-22 10:37:13" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>luce</upd_name>
<upd_detl>one of those entries that properly belong to enamdict, but may be common enough in everyday speech to keep?</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2015-06-22 12:13:24" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>A bit of a national institution. Worth keeping here, I think.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -18 +17,0 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="5740847" corp="jmnedict">日本国有鉄道</xref></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-02-19 21:40:22" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>The ジェー version is favored by all the refs despite being far less frequent in the n-gram counts and web hits.
Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーーーー─┬────────┬───────╮
│ ジェイアール │ 25,537 │ 77.9% │
│ ジェイ・アール │ 6,870 │ 21.0% │ - add
│ ジェーアール │ 373 │ 1.1% │
│ ジェー・アール │ 0 │ 0.0% │ - add
╰─ーーーーーーー─┴────────┴───────╯</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -12,0 +13,3 @@
+<reb>ジェイ・アール</reb>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
@@ -14,0 +18,3 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ジェー・アール</reb></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-02-19 22:38:43" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_detl>As a rule we don't include nakaguro in entries with romaji in the kanji field. Or at least, that used to be the rule?</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-02-19 22:45:38" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Maybe. A JMdictDB search for readings containing the character "・" pulls up a lot of them, though.
1R;AV;G7;JC;JS;LHR;ODP, etc.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-02-19 23:20:54" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I'm planning to raise an issue about this on GitHub. I'm going to suggest that we copy GG5's approach and have only a single visible reading – *with* nakaguro – for all non-[uk] acronyms. The nakaguro-less forms would be search-only (as would readings that contain variant pronunciations of letters). I've made an edit to show what this would look like on this entry.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -9 +9 @@
-<reb>ジェイアール</reb>
+<reb>ジェイ・アール</reb>
@@ -13 +13,2 @@
-<reb>ジェイ・アール</reb>
+<reb>ジェイアール</reb>
+<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf>
@@ -17,4 +18 @@
-<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ジェー・アール</reb>
+<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-02-21 05:52:28" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I had started a response to this thread, not noticing this one from Robin (the order being changed.) I think the suggested approach is sound. I'm keen to get the more common nakaguro versions searchable.
I'll approve this and reopen it.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-02-21 05:52:56" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Reopen.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-02-24 03:21:37" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>The issue is now live so I think this can be closed.</upd_detl>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>