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<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
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<k_ele>
<keb>世論</keb>
<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>news1</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>nf02</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>輿論</keb>
<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>よろん</reb>
<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
<re_pri>news1</re_pri>
<re_pri>nf02</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>せろん</reb>
<re_restr>世論</re_restr>
<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>せいろん</reb>
<re_restr>世論</re_restr>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<gloss>public opinion</gloss>
<gloss>popular voice</gloss>
<gloss>public sentiment</gloss>
<gloss>consensus</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2010-08-08 07:00:49" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>sorting headwords to make a little more sense. as best as I can tell, 与論 is a place name. iK at the best</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -11,0 +11,3 @@
+<keb>輿論</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
@@ -13,6 +16,0 @@
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>与論</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>輿論</keb></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-08-09 08:51:18" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>paul</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Paul Blay</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Looks OK. I do wonder which is the most common reading for 世論, though. It isn't very clear to me from the refs.
I note only 11 hits for +"与論に訴える", some of which were pointing it out as an error.
+"輿論に訴える" does little better at 18 hits.
+"與論に訴える" - only one hit.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>スーパー大辞林</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-08-09 09:59:41" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2017-05-27 09:14:37" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Amen Lernsky</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>i'm citing を世論に説明する</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>eij</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -31,0 +32,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>the public</gloss>
+<gloss>public debate</gloss>
+</sense></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2017-05-27 23:16:00" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>No real support for two senses.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Daijr, GG5, etc.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -31,5 +31,3 @@
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<gloss>the public</gloss>
-<gloss>public debate</gloss>
+<gloss>popular voice</gloss>
+<gloss>public sentiment</gloss>
+<gloss>consensus</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-04-23 00:33:22" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Added reading.
與 is the 旧字体 of 与, which suggests that it's irregular, not old. Given the low n-gram count, I'm not sure we need it.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>daij, koj
世論 1428563
輿論 13500
與論 735</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -27,0 +28,4 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>せいろん</reb>
+<re_restr>世論</re_restr>
+</r_ele></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-04-23 00:51:55" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-04-23 21:29:10" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I'm proposing that we drop 與論. Most of the results online are from scanned books, where it's clearly an OCR error (see examples above).</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Py5Wa-4Fm2wC&pg=PT18&lpg=PT18&dq=%22%E8%88%87%E8%AB%96%22
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NCvIhm2DHPIC&pg=PA98&lpg=PA98&dq=%22%E8%88%87%E8%AB%96%22
https://jisls.jp/shiryo/dpview.html?id=243&p=0000</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-04-24 01:23:17" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Agree.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -12,4 +11,0 @@
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>與論</keb>
-<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-11-16 22:22:56" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーー─┬───────────┬───────╮
│ 世論 │ 1,428,563 │ 99.1% │
│ 輿論 │ 13,500 │ 0.9% │ 🡠 rK (daijr/s, koj, etc.)
│ よろん │ 11,018 │ N/A │
│ せろん │ 2,194 │ N/A │
│ せいろん │ 6,473 │ N/A │
╰─ーーーー─┴───────────┴───────╯</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-11-17 04:33:56" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-11-17 10:20:56" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>せろん is by no means a common reading.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -16,0 +17,2 @@
+<re_pri>news1</re_pri>
+<re_pri>nf02</re_pri>
@@ -21,3 +22,0 @@
-<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
-<re_pri>news1</re_pri>
-<re_pri>nf02</re_pri></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-11-17 10:55:31" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>せろん is in the Ichiman list (along with よろん). GG5, 中辞典, etc. have both, but most JEs point the せろん entry to よろん.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -22,0 +23 @@
+<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri></upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>