<entry id="2211144" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2182590</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>ざる得ない</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>ざるえない</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&exp;</pos>
<pos>&adj-i;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="2060970">ざるを得ない</xref>
<s_inf>after the -nai stem of a verb</s_inf>
<gloss>have to</gloss>
<gloss>have no choice but to</gloss>
<gloss>cannot help (doing)</gloss>
<gloss>be compelled to</gloss>
<gloss>be obliged to</gloss>
<gloss>be forced to</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2007-08-15 00:00:00" stat="A">
<upd_detl>Entry created</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-09-18 00:23:19" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>This is clearly an abbreviation of ざるを得ない. Should it go into that entry as an sK form?</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>ざるを得ない	1825308	97.7%
ざる得ない	43540	2.3%</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-09-27 06:14:22" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>If we do this, ざるを得ぬ could be swept into it too.
Any comments on this?</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>ざるを得ない	1825308	97.4%
ざる得ない	43540	2.3%
ざるを得ぬ	5298	0.3%
ざる得ぬ	28	0.0%</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-09-27 17:22:35" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>ざるを得ぬ wouldn't be [adj-i] (I think it would be [adj-pn] or [adj-f]?), so that might be a reason to avoid merging them.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>╭─ーーーーーー─┬───────────╮
│ ざるを得ない │ 1,825,308 │
│ ざるを得なく │   317,062 │
├─ーーーーーー─┼───────────┤
│ ざるをえない │   363,678 │
│ ざるをえなく │    68,106 │
├─ーーーーーー─┼───────────┤
│ ざる得ない　 │    43,540 │
│ ざる得なく　 │     5,183 │
├─ーーーーーー─┼───────────┤
│ ざるえない　 │    18,075 │
│ ざるえなく　 │     1,020 │
╰─ーーーーーー─┴───────────╯</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-10-04 05:38:03" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>The POS of ざるを得ぬ, etc. is not an issue if it were [sK].</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-10-06 00:08:49" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I don't think we should merge forms that have different readings, verb endings, etc., at least not while sK forms are lumped together with the regular forms. It would look odd/wrong on sites/apps that don't yet support the tag.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-10-06 00:25:41" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Yes, fair enough. I'll put this on the back-burner for now.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-10-06 20:27:03" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adj-i;&lt;/pos&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-10-06 21:40:11" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-10-09 01:28:24" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Aligning.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -13,0 +14,3 @@
+&lt;s_inf&gt;after the -nai stem of a verb&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;have to&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;have no choice but to&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -15 +18,3 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;have no choice but to&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;be compelled to&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;be obliged to&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;be forced to&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>