<entry id="2204188" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2078990</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>元も子もない</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>元も子も無い</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>本も子もない</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>本も子も無い</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>もともこもない</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&exp;</pos>
<pos>&adj-i;</pos>
<misc>&id;</misc>
<gloss>losing everything</gloss>
<gloss>suffering a total loss</gloss>
<gloss>coming to nothing</gloss>
<gloss g_type="lit">having lost the interest and the principal</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2006-03-07 00:00:00" stat="A">
<upd_detl>Entry created</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-06-25 15:05:52" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Nils Roland Barth</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>* Alt gloss
* Alt spelling
(read in article as 元も子もない)</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>GG5 (gloss)
koj (kanji)</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;本も子もない&lt;/keb&gt;
@@ -13,0 +16,1 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;come to nothing&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-06-28 04:30:02" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -16,1 +16,1 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;come to nothing&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;coming to nothing&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-07-06 04:20:11" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marv</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>「ダメだよ、あせっちゃ。怪我したら元も子も無いだろう」</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -8,0 +9,6 @@
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;元も子も無い&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;本も子も無い&lt;/keb&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-07-06 04:29:14" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>HiddenForm 本も子もない[iK]；本も子も無い[iK]</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>本 seems irregular here. I don't see it in any of my refs

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
| 元も子もない　 | 66,407 | 87.9% |
| 本も子もない　 |    265 |  0.4% |
| 元も子も無い　 |  3,837 |  5.1% |
| 本も子も無い　 |     22 |  0.0% |
| もともこもない |  5,038 |  6.7% |

| 原も子もない　 |      0 |  0.0% |
| 基も子もない　 |     48 |  0.0% |
| 原も子も無い　 |      0 |  0.0% |
| 基も子も無い　 |      0 |  0.0% |</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -8,3 +7,0 @@
-&lt;keb&gt;本も子もない&lt;/keb&gt;
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
@@ -13,0 +11,4 @@
+&lt;keb&gt;本も子もない&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;iK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
@@ -14,0 +16 @@
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;iK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-07-06 12:06:22" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Yes, the 本も versions can be hidden.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-08-14 07:17:53" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Adding sK/sk forms.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +12 @@
-&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;iK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -16 +16 @@
-&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;iK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-08-15 16:59:35" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I don't think the lit gloss is needed.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>gg5, prog</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -22,0 +23,2 @@
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adj-i;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;id;&lt;/misc&gt;
@@ -23,0 +26 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;suffering a total loss&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -25 +27,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;having lost the interest and the principal&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-08-15 20:18:10" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>元 and 子 both have a variety of different meanings, so I think this expression is awfully opaque without the literal gloss.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-08-16 01:01:34" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I felt it was a bit awkward and didn't add much but I'm not strongly opposed to its inclusion.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -27,0 +28 @@
+&lt;gloss g_type="lit"&gt;having lost the interest and the principal&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-08-16 01:07:08" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I agree.</upd_detl>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>