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<entry id="2200936" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1854270</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>旅する</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>たびする</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&vs-i;</pos>
<pos>&vi;</pos>
<gloss>to travel</gloss>
<gloss>to take a trip</gloss>
<gloss>to make a journey</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2018-07-13 20:33:07" stat="D" unap="true">
<upd_name>Johan Råde</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>ngrams show that it conjugates as a [vs], not [vs-s]
so it is already covered by the 旅 entry</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>not in gg5, koj, daijs
G n-grams:
旅しない 1240
旅さない No matches</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-07-13 22:56:10" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>vs-s don't conjugate as ~さない. they conjugate as a regular する verb. the reason 愛する *appears* to conjugate as 愛さない is because of the verb 愛す, which is conjugating as v5s. many/most vs-s verbs (~する) have v5s (す) counterparts
AFAICT, this entry is okay</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>daijirin has it</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-07-13 23:00:43" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>ugh. wwwjdic's conjugation table for this word does show it as 旅さない. it shouldn't</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-07-31 12:59:50" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>johan</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Johan Råde</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Considering that 愛する is 10 times as common as 愛す
and 愛さない is 10 times as common as 愛しない,
it seems a bit awkward to say that 愛しない is the negative form of 愛する
and 愛さない is the negative form of 愛す.
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Here is my proposed solution.
Create a single conjugation table for [vs-s] and [vs-c].
Something like this:
plain: 愛する, 愛す
polite: 愛します
negative: 愛さない, 愛しない
neg. polite: 愛しません
past: 愛した
...
Link both [vs-s] and [vs-c] verbs to this table.
This is the approach adopted in jwiki(サ行変格活用)</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>愛する 7319318
愛す 886979
愛さない 38302
愛しない 2364</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-08-08 05:13:42" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>This discussion is best conducted elsewhere.
Many of the "vs-c" verbs are also tagged "v5s" and get handled that way. The "vs-s" verbs need further work.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-08-20 05:25:46" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>ttps://www.edrdg.org/wwwjdic/wwwverbinf.html#suru_tag (4th paragraph)</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -11 +11 @@
-<pos>&vs-s;</pos>
+<pos>&vs-i;</pos></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-08-01 20:32:04" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>gg5</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<pos>&vi;</pos>
@@ -13,0 +15 @@
+<gloss>to make a journey</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>