<entry id="2198426" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2824840</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>常識の範囲内</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>じょうしきのはんいない</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&exp;</pos>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<gloss>within the bounds of common sense</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2014-09-29 04:53:33" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_detl>fairly common expression</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>ngrams
常識の範囲内	41795
eij
常識の範囲内で
within the bounds of common sense</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-10-01 23:30:48" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
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<upd_detl>Noun?</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-11-06 08:07:11" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
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<upd_detl>Should this be trimmed down to 常識の範囲? Or do we want a separate entry for that?</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>g ng
常識の範囲	73035
常識の範囲内	41795
as "常識の範囲を超える" etc.</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-11-06 23:08:23" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
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<upd_detl>Is this not A+B? Not in the refs. Not idiomatic. Meaning is clear from its constituent parts.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-11-06 23:36:42" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I don't mean to confuse the matter but I 
feel it's important to distinguish that 
this IS indeed idiomatic Japanese in the 
sense that it is a common expression/set 
phrase that would come quite natural to a 
native speaker. As such, it is not just 
any old random cluster of words (a+b) but 
actually several times more common than 
other similar constructions with the same 
(or similar) meaning. Maybe this should 
really be discussed on the mailing list 
because I feel all editors are not always 
on the same page whether these relatively 
straightforward but common set phrases  
should be included or not, but to me, they 
do seem obviously helpful to have.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>gg5: 常識の範囲内で within (the bounds of) 
common sense; within sebsible limiys
ngrams
常識の範囲	73035 (3 examples in eij)
良識の範囲	11499 (1 example in eij)
常識の領域	56</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-11-07 02:35:05" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>It certainly is useful to know that 常識 is used with 範囲 in this way but I don't think it has any place in a dictionary as a headword.
Every language is full of collocations like this.
Unless the words are being used in a non-standard way, I think they're better suited as examples.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-12-14 02:50:52" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>temp approve.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-12-14 02:51:29" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
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<upd_detl>reopen. see previous comments regarding whether this should be an entry</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-12-14 23:45:12" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>For comparison, some other common expressions that contain "範囲内": 予算の範囲内, 想定の範囲内, 予想の範囲内, 法律の範囲内, ルールの範囲内.
I don't feel there's anything that makes 常識の範囲内 more worthy of inclusion than the above examples (and I'm not suggesting we add all of them).</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-03-04 23:50:27" stat="D" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
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<upd_detl>I do think there's a difference between 常識～ (and also 想定～) and 予算～ as they are to my mind less obvious and compositional than 
and used in a more idiomatic (non-literal) way and not what an English-speaker would come up with, translating from English. I still 
think this and/or the -内-less version should be an entry/entries, but I won't protest if this is deleted. (it's about time we make a 
decision either way)</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Ngrams / eij examples / NINJAL 名詞＋の＋範囲 (out of 3411種類)
常識の範囲	73035 / 16 / 516 (5th most common)
良識の範囲	11499 / 1 / -

予算の範囲	73196 / 4 (all as ～内) / 830 (4th)
想定の範囲	86378 / 0 / 229
予想の範囲	29165 / 1 / 102
法律の範囲	11908 / 9 / 162
ルールの範囲	4549 / 1 / -</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-03-05 05:58:00" stat="D">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-07-22 13:40:42" stat="D" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Saw this in the news just now and thought it's a shame this was deleted.
I still think this type of entry is helpful, for all the reasons mentioned reasons. Could the decision to delete it be revisited?</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://news.yahoo.co.jp/pickup/6433404
旧統一教会との関係、与野党の「申告」相次ぐ…末松文科相「常識の範囲内でやましいものない」</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-07-25 20:44:26" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I guess so.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Reverso</upd_refs>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>