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<entry id="2195531" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1606090</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>代々</keb>
<ke_pri>news1</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>nf07</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>代代</keb>
<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>だいだい</reb>
<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
<re_pri>news1</re_pri>
<re_pri>nf07</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&adv;</pos>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
<gloss>for generations</gloss>
<gloss>from generation to generation</gloss>
<gloss>generation after generation</gloss>
<gloss>through the ages</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2020-02-18 04:33:56" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>dine</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>since 代々(だいだい) and 世々(せいせい・せぜ) have the interlinking form よよ, does the 2-out-of-3 rule apply?
if not, which term should よよ belong?</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>daijr, daijs, nikk: https://kotobank.jp/word/%E4%B8%96%E4%B8%96-545588</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -29,0 +30,15 @@
+&lt;r_ele&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;せいせい&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;re_restr&gt;世々&lt;/re_restr&gt;
+&lt;re_restr&gt;世世&lt;/re_restr&gt;
+&lt;/r_ele&gt;
+&lt;r_ele&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;せぜ&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;re_restr&gt;世々&lt;/re_restr&gt;
+&lt;re_restr&gt;世世&lt;/re_restr&gt;
+&lt;/r_ele&gt;
+&lt;r_ele&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;せせ&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;re_restr&gt;世々&lt;/re_restr&gt;
+&lt;re_restr&gt;世世&lt;/re_restr&gt;
+&lt;/r_ele&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-02-18 07:54:01" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>The primary entry is about 代々/だいだい. よよ is an outlier - most major JEs don't even include it, and having 世々, etc. there as well is a bit like the tail wagging the dog. Bringing in other readings for 世々, etc. is really taking it too far in the wrong direction.
I think it's probably best to send 世々, etc. off to their own entry. I know Daijirin combines them in the よよ entry, but it keeps 代々/だいだい separate.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>代々	744069
代代	4759
世々	14209
世世	2426</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -13,6 +12,0 @@
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
-&lt;keb&gt;世々&lt;/keb&gt;
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
-&lt;keb&gt;世世&lt;/keb&gt;
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
@@ -21,2 +14,0 @@
-&lt;re_restr&gt;代々&lt;/re_restr&gt;
-&lt;re_restr&gt;代代&lt;/re_restr&gt;
@@ -29,15 +20,0 @@
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;せいせい&lt;/reb&gt;
-&lt;re_restr&gt;世々&lt;/re_restr&gt;
-&lt;re_restr&gt;世世&lt;/re_restr&gt;
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;せぜ&lt;/reb&gt;
-&lt;re_restr&gt;世々&lt;/re_restr&gt;
-&lt;re_restr&gt;世世&lt;/re_restr&gt;
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;せせ&lt;/reb&gt;
-&lt;re_restr&gt;世々&lt;/re_restr&gt;
-&lt;re_restr&gt;世世&lt;/re_restr&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-02-18 18:45:12" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>all my dicts have 代代[よよ] and 世世[よよ]

but i think we tend to be more "headword-oriented" than the kokugos, which are "reading-oriented".  so while splitting on よよ wouldn't make sense for them, i think it makes sense for us.  a merge would be messy</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-03-10 00:34:10" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Bulk update: Removal of n-t POS
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -24 +23,0 @@
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n-t;&lt;/pos&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-03-31 04:46:31" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Bulk update n-adv to n,adv
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -23 +23,2 @@
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n-adv;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adv;&lt;/pos&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-07-10 20:01:37" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think it's odd having the kanji for よよ (代々 and 世々) split across two entries. I suggest dropping よよ from here, adding 代々 to 2843316 (世々/よよ), and splitting out せいせい/せぜ/せせ from 世々/よよ into a separate entry (or multiple separate entries). According to the kokugos, only だいだい and よよ are adverbial. I'm happy to set it up myself.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>gg5, prog</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -22,0 +23 @@
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adv;&lt;/pos&gt;
@@ -24 +25 @@
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adv;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adj-no;&lt;/pos&gt;
@@ -26 +27 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;hereditary&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;from generation to generation&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -27,0 +29 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;through the ages&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-07-10 20:55:16" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK. Feel free to go ahead with that.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-07-11 20:20:27" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Done.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -18,3 +17,0 @@
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;よよ&lt;/reb&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>



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