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<entry id="2189876" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1259180</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>見すぼらしい</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>見窄らしい</keb>
<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>みすぼらしい</reb>
<re_pri>ichi2</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&adj-i;</pos>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<gloss>shabby</gloss>
<gloss>unsightly</gloss>
<gloss>unkempt</gloss>
<gloss>seedy</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2022-06-09 01:31:13" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>To me, "seedy" has connotations of danger and possibly illegality. The
gloss in GG5 but I'm not a fan. As I understand it, the meaning of
みすぼらしい is more narrowly focused on physical appearance.

The kanji 見 appears in ~5% of usages, so I don't think 見すぼらしい
technically counts as [rK]. I think it's safe to move it to the
first position.

Should this be demoted to [ichi2]?</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Google N-gram Corpus Counts
| 見窄らしい  |  1,629 |  2.6% |
| 見すぼらしい |  1,316 |  2.1% |
| みすぼらしい | 59,009 | 95.2% |
|-ーーーーーー-+--------+-------|
| 見窄らしく  |    533 |  2.4% |
| 見すぼらしく |    532 |  2.4% |
| みすぼらしく | 20,767 | 95.1% |</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,2 +5 @@
-&lt;keb&gt;見窄らしい&lt;/keb&gt;
-&lt;ke_pri&gt;ichi1&lt;/ke_pri&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;見すぼらしい&lt;/keb&gt;
@@ -9 +8,3 @@
-&lt;keb&gt;見すぼらしい&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;見窄らしい&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;rK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
+&lt;ke_pri&gt;ichi1&lt;/ke_pri&gt;
@@ -19 +20,2 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;seedy&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;unsightly&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;unkempt&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-06-09 02:40:01" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK. I think "seedy" is OK - it fits the other glosses. Maybe danger/illegality is an AmE nuance.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -10 +10 @@
-&lt;ke_pri&gt;ichi1&lt;/ke_pri&gt;
+&lt;ke_pri&gt;ichi2&lt;/ke_pri&gt;
@@ -14 +14 @@
-&lt;re_pri&gt;ichi1&lt;/re_pri&gt;
+&lt;re_pri&gt;ichi2&lt;/re_pri&gt;
@@ -21,0 +22 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;seedy&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-06-09 07:11:58" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I don't think it really makes sense to tag a rK form with any prio tag.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,0 +6 @@
+&lt;ke_pri&gt;ichi2&lt;/ke_pri&gt;
@@ -10 +10,0 @@
-&lt;ke_pri&gt;ichi2&lt;/ke_pri&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-06-09 10:04:20" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>However 見窄らしい is the form that's in the Ichiman reference list. I think it can be dropped from the kanji.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -6 +5,0 @@
-&lt;ke_pri&gt;ichi2&lt;/ke_pri&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>



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