<entry id="2182591" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2159590</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>針孔</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>穴</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>めど</reb>
</r_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>みぞ</reb>
<re_restr>針孔</re_restr>
</r_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>はりめど</reb>
<re_restr>針孔</re_restr>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<gloss>eye of a needle</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<stagr>めど</stagr>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="1254480">穴・あな・1</xref>
<s_inf>dialectal</s_inf>
<gloss>hole</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2007-05-06 00:00:00" stat="A">
<upd_detl>Entry created</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-09-05 02:10:46" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus</upd_name>
<upd_detl>針孔, 針眼 and はりめど seem like they don't have the 2nd sense. 
maybe that should be split out? now that I've made it a bit 
messier...</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -10,0 +10,3 @@
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;穴&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
@@ -13,0 +16,1 @@
+&lt;re_restr&gt;穴&lt;/re_restr&gt;
@@ -20,0 +24,2 @@
+&lt;re_restr&gt;針孔&lt;/re_restr&gt;
+&lt;re_restr&gt;針眼&lt;/re_restr&gt;
@@ -29,0 +35,5 @@
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;stagr&gt;めど&lt;/stagr&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;hole&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-09-07 19:40:44" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>What is the source for 穴 being read めど? I can't find it anywhere.
I think it best this change be dropped, and at most an "also read めど" note put on 穴/あな, but I'm not at all convinced it's needed.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-09-08 02:04:13" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus</upd_name>
<upd_refs>daijs
め‐ど【針孔／穴】
１ 針の、糸を通すあな。はりのみみ。２ 穴。
it's probably in nikk too, but since I can only see the 3 
first results, I can't get to that particular entry.
けつ‐めど【尻穴】 is also in nikk
on this blog, the author says めど is dialectal (fukushima) 
for hole.
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/toshikatu0214/26613313.html
in the zokugo dic entry for ケツメド, they say "関東エリアで穴を意
味する『メド』"</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-09-08 07:49:30" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>The dominant words here are "穴/あな/hole", which is VERY common and "針孔/めど/eye of a needle", which is not nearly as common. めど may well be an alternative reading for 穴, but bringing 穴 into this entry and tying to the second, rarer sense is making rather a mess.
Better:
(a) keep 穴 away from here;
(b) add めど to the 穴/あな entry as an "also read ..." on the first sense. I don't want to add it as a full reading as it would have to crossed off 8 of the 9 senses.
That way we don't have a heap of restrictions and possible confusion.
I'll set that up and we can see how it looks.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -10,3 +10,0 @@
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
-&lt;keb&gt;穴&lt;/keb&gt;
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
@@ -16,1 +13,0 @@
-&lt;re_restr&gt;穴&lt;/re_restr&gt;
@@ -24,2 +20,0 @@
-&lt;re_restr&gt;針孔&lt;/re_restr&gt;
-&lt;re_restr&gt;針眼&lt;/re_restr&gt;
@@ -33,0 +27,2 @@
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1254480"&gt;穴・あな・1&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1254480"&gt;穴・あな・1&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -35,5 +31,0 @@
-&lt;sense&gt;
-&lt;stagr&gt;めど&lt;/stagr&gt;
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;hole&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;/sense&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-09-11 07:02:29" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-09-11 10:32:31" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus</upd_name>
<upd_detl>shouldn't the 2nd meaning, "hole," at least be included here, 
even if the kanji 穴 isn't? It's in the daijs entry for 針孔, 
plus the other sources I quoted (that say it's dialectal).</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>nikk</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -25,0 +25,5 @@
+&lt;r_ele&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;しんこう&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;re_restr&gt;針孔&lt;/re_restr&gt;
+&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;ok;&lt;/re_inf&gt;
+&lt;/r_ele&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-09-11 23:19:01" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -32,1 +32,0 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1254480"&gt;穴・あな・1&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -35,0 +34,7 @@
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;stagk&gt;針孔&lt;/stagk&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1254480"&gt;穴・あな・1&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;dialectal&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;hole&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-03-21 06:06:39" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>An attempt to bring in a searchable 穴/めど.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Daijs.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;穴&lt;/keb&gt;
@@ -12,0 +16 @@
+&lt;re_restr&gt;穴&lt;/re_restr&gt;
@@ -19,0 +24,2 @@
+&lt;re_restr&gt;針孔&lt;/re_restr&gt;
+&lt;re_restr&gt;針眼&lt;/re_restr&gt;
@@ -30,0 +37,2 @@
+&lt;stagk&gt;針孔&lt;/stagk&gt;
+&lt;stagk&gt;針眼&lt;/stagk&gt;
@@ -35,0 +44 @@
+&lt;stagk&gt;穴&lt;/stagk&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-03-29 10:26:53" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>No objections, it seems.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-03-30 23:02:32" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>みず appears to be archaic. I think it should be split out. Most of the restr tags can then be dropped.
しんこう is only in the unabridged edition of nikk. I think we can drop it.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -30,5 +29,0 @@
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;しんこう&lt;/reb&gt;
-&lt;re_restr&gt;針孔&lt;/re_restr&gt;
-&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;ok;&lt;/re_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-04-01 06:03:12" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think みず can stay with a tag. It's in the kokugos, and removing it doesn't simplify the glosses.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -22,0 +23,4 @@
+&lt;reb&gt;はりめど&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;re_restr&gt;針孔&lt;/re_restr&gt;
+&lt;/r_ele&gt;
+&lt;r_ele&gt;
@@ -26,4 +30 @@
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;はりめど&lt;/reb&gt;
-&lt;re_restr&gt;針孔&lt;/re_restr&gt;
+&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;ok;&lt;/re_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-04-01 23:14:16" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>The entry is much cleaner and easier to read without it. If the inclusion of an archaic form introduces a lot of restr tags, I think it should be split out into a separate arch entry or dropped entirely (my preferred option).</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -10,3 +9,0 @@
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
-&lt;keb&gt;針眼&lt;/keb&gt;
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
@@ -15,2 +11,0 @@
-&lt;re_restr&gt;針孔&lt;/re_restr&gt;
-&lt;re_restr&gt;穴&lt;/re_restr&gt;
@@ -26,6 +20,0 @@
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;みず&lt;/reb&gt;
-&lt;re_restr&gt;針孔&lt;/re_restr&gt;
-&lt;re_restr&gt;針眼&lt;/re_restr&gt;
-&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;ok;&lt;/re_inf&gt;
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
@@ -33,2 +21,0 @@
-&lt;stagk&gt;針孔&lt;/stagk&gt;
-&lt;stagk&gt;針眼&lt;/stagk&gt;
@@ -39,2 +26 @@
-&lt;stagk&gt;針孔&lt;/stagk&gt;
-&lt;stagk&gt;穴&lt;/stagk&gt;
+&lt;stagr&gt;めど&lt;/stagr&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2022-04-02 00:32:43" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Sorry, I hadn't twigged you proposed dropping 針眼 as well as みず. As it's in all the kokugos I think it's best in its own "arch" entry.</upd_detl>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>