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<entry id="2171665" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1104550</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>麦酒</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>ばくしゅ</reb>
</r_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>ビール</reb>
<re_inf>&gikun;</re_inf>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="2796520">ビール</xref>
<gloss>beer</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2010-12-23 08:05:28" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>nikk</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -16,0 +16,9 @@
+&lt;r_ele&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;ビヤー&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;/r_ele&gt;
+&lt;r_ele&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;ビーア&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;/r_ele&gt;
+&lt;r_ele&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;ビアー&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;/r_ele&gt;
@@ -19,0 +28,1 @@
+&lt;s_inf&gt;also written as 麦酒&lt;/s_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-12-23 11:09:24" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-05-24 14:11:03" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Nils Roland Barth</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Move kanji usage note to kanji field, add [uk] (since this is, in fact, sometimes written as kanji).</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -4,0 +4,3 @@
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;麦酒&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
@@ -27,2 +30,2 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1476190"&gt;麦酒&lt;/xref&gt;
-&lt;s_inf&gt;also written as 麦酒&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1476190"&gt;麦酒・ばくしゅ&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-05-24 22:27:59" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Bringing in 麦酒 as a headword really requires a merge with 麦酒/ばくしゅ. I'd be inclined to keep it with 麦酒 just in the comment, if it wasn't for Daijirin's "〔 「麦酒」 とも書く〕 " on its ビール entry. Let's see how the merge looks.
Daijirin for ばくしゅ has an extra sense: "麦を醸造した酒の総称". That sounds awfully like beer to me. Koj is less ambiguous: "麦をかもした酒、すなわちビール。"</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Koj, Daij.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -7,0 +7,3 @@
+&lt;r_ele&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;ばくしゅ&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;/r_ele&gt;
@@ -14,0 +17,1 @@
+&lt;re_nokanji/&gt;
@@ -18,0 +22,1 @@
+&lt;re_nokanji/&gt;
@@ -21,0 +26,1 @@
+&lt;re_nokanji/&gt;
@@ -24,0 +30,1 @@
+&lt;re_nokanji/&gt;
@@ -27,0 +34,1 @@
+&lt;re_nokanji/&gt;
@@ -30,1 +38,0 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1476190"&gt;麦酒・ばくしゅ&lt;/xref&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-05-24 22:31:40" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>should all the katakana readings be getting [gikun] tags?  also, the 
[lsrc=dut:bier] obviously doesn't apply to ばくしゅ</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-05-24 22:52:54" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I've put "gikun" on just ビール as I made the others "nokanji", really to keep it a bit simpler. Yes the lsrc really only applies to ビール, etc. but there's no way to tie it to just one reading. I think the many is clear anyway.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -12,0 +12,1 @@
+&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;gikun;&lt;/re_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-05-25 00:08:33" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>okay</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-08-10 07:23:28" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_refs>ビア, ビヤ etc. are from English, not Dutch...
not to mention ばくしゅ</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-08-12 12:31:16" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Revisiting this after 2+ years, I feel it really is an ugly entry, and would be better off split into:
(a) 麦酒/ばくしゅ    xref to ビール, etc. note "sometimes read ビール"
(b) ビール/ビア/ビヤ xref to 麦酒  note "ビール sometimes written 麦酒"
Daijirin's "「麦酒」とも書く"  is probably not a strong enough signal to justify a merge.
What do others think two years on?</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -40,1 +40,1 @@
-&lt;lsource xml:lang="dut"&gt;bier&lt;/lsource&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;ビール from Dutch, ビア, etc. from English&lt;/s_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-08-12 22:44:49" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>i'm fine with it.  split</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -10,27 +10,0 @@
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;ビール&lt;/reb&gt;
-&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;gikun;&lt;/re_inf&gt;
-&lt;re_pri&gt;gai1&lt;/re_pri&gt;
-&lt;re_pri&gt;ichi1&lt;/re_pri&gt;
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;ビア&lt;/reb&gt;
-&lt;re_nokanji/&gt;
-&lt;re_pri&gt;gai1&lt;/re_pri&gt;
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;ビヤ&lt;/reb&gt;
-&lt;re_nokanji/&gt;
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;ビヤー&lt;/reb&gt;
-&lt;re_nokanji/&gt;
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;ビーア&lt;/reb&gt;
-&lt;re_nokanji/&gt;
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;ビアー&lt;/reb&gt;
-&lt;re_nokanji/&gt;
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
@@ -39,0 +12,1 @@
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2796520"&gt;ビール&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -40,1 +14,1 @@
-&lt;s_inf&gt;ビール from Dutch, ビア, etc. from English&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;sometimes read ビール&lt;/s_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-08-12 22:57:53" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Done.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-12-29 00:56:55" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>ビール IS a gikun reading of 麦酒, isn't it? (in ref to the reverted suggestion)</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -9,0 +10,4 @@
+&lt;r_ele&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;ビール&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;gikun;&lt;/re_inf&gt;
+&lt;/r_ele&gt;
@@ -14 +17,0 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2796520"&gt;ビール&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -16 +18,0 @@
-&lt;s_inf&gt;sometimes read ビール&lt;/s_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-12-29 07:39:17" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_diff>@@ -17 +16,0 @@
-&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-12-30 06:02:52" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>The uk applies to the ビール entry.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-12-30 06:11:50" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>



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