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<entry id="2171524" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
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<k_ele>
<keb>三嘆</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>三歎</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>さんたん</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<pos>&vs;</pos>
<pos>&vi;</pos>
<misc>&form;</misc>
<gloss>deep admiration</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<pos>&vs;</pos>
<pos>&vi;</pos>
<misc>&form;</misc>
<gloss>repeatedly lamenting</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2011-11-17 17:33:41" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Scott</upd_name>
<upd_detl>koj and daij don't merge (三嘆 and 讃嘆), but the meaning stated here seems to be shared</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>koj daij</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,1 +5,1 @@
-&lt;keb&gt;賛嘆&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;三嘆&lt;/keb&gt;
@@ -8,1 +8,7 @@
-&lt;keb&gt;三嘆&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;讃嘆&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;讃歎&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;賛嘆&lt;/keb&gt;
@@ -18,1 +24,1 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;repeatedly crying&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;praising something after having been deeply moved by it&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-11-22 00:51:40" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Yes, the refs all separate 三嘆/三歎 from the rest, but the meaning seems common to me. Sorting on hits.
The extra gloss of Scott's doesn't seem to fit.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Koj, Daijr, GG5, ルミナス</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,1 +5,1 @@
-&lt;keb&gt;三嘆&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;賛嘆&lt;/keb&gt;
@@ -11,0 +11,3 @@
+&lt;keb&gt;三嘆&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
@@ -14,1 +17,1 @@
-&lt;keb&gt;賛嘆&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;三歎&lt;/keb&gt;
@@ -22,0 +25,1 @@
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adj-no;&lt;/pos&gt;
@@ -24,1 +28,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;praising something after having been deeply moved by it&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-11-30 06:36:27" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-04-16 00:47:45" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>i think there ~may~ be a difference here: the difference between 'admiration' and 'praise' in english (i.e., the former is a private emotion, the latter is a public action; they're not the same).  koj, daijs, gg5, meikyo all support this division; daijr does not (it adds ほめる to the definition of 三嘆).  also, a legitimate definition was removed from 三嘆.
-
so i think there should be two entries:

三嘆;三歎 [さんたん]
[1][n,vs]
deep admiration
[1][n,vs]
repeatedly lamenting
&amp;
讃嘆;讃歎;賛嘆 [さんたん]
[1][n,vs]
praise;extolment</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-04-16 01:43:04" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>implementing suggested split</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,6 +5,0 @@
-&lt;keb&gt;賛嘆&lt;/keb&gt;
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
-&lt;keb&gt;讃嘆&lt;/keb&gt;
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
@@ -12,3 +6,0 @@
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
-&lt;keb&gt;讃歎&lt;/keb&gt;
@@ -26,2 +17,7 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;praise&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;admiration&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;deep admiration&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;vs;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adj-no;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;repeatedly lamenting&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-04-16 03:34:31" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-12-29 04:42:59" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>三嘆	608
三歎	256
mk</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -16 +16,2 @@
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adj-no;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;vi;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;form;&lt;/misc&gt;
@@ -22 +23,2 @@
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adj-no;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;vi;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;form;&lt;/misc&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>



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