<entry id="2167320" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1596700</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>算盤</keb>
<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>十露盤</keb>
<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>珠盤</keb>
<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>そろばん</reb>
<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>ソロバン</reb>
<re_nokanji/>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<gloss>abacus</gloss>
<gloss>soroban</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<gloss>calculation (esp. of profit and loss)</gloss>
<gloss>reckoning</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2013-09-17 11:58:54" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Strongly "uk" (esp. in hiragana.)</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Unidic/ngrams</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -15,0 +15,4 @@
+&lt;r_ele&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;ソロバン&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;re_nokanji/&gt;
+&lt;/r_ele&gt;
@@ -17,0 +21,1 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-09-17 21:08:19" stat="A">
<upd_uid>pupchurch</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Paul Upchurch</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-09-09 22:56:51" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Curtis Naito</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>http://kotobank.jp/word/%E7%AE%97%E7%9B%A4?dic=daijisen&amp;oid=07654000</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -9,0 +10,3 @@
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;珠盤&lt;/keb&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-09-10 00:46:45" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I see from Googling it that 珠盤 also is being used for small jewelled flat objects, which fits the kanji.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Yes, Daijs.</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-06 04:03:18" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>jpwiki has one article for そろばん, one for アバカス. jpwiki suggests "soroban;Japanese abacus" are used in English.
enwiki also has two articles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soroban
"The soroban (算盤, そろばん, counting tray) is an abacus developed in Japan. It is derived from the ancient Chinese suanpan, 
imported to Japan in the 14th century."

google image results (in Japanese) for the two are very different.
the kokugos however don't have アバカス entries, except daijs, which only says そろばん.

アバカス	5499

should we add "soroban" as a second gloss to this entry, maybe?</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-06 07:10:36" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think we should. Also I wonder about adding "Japanese" to the abacus gloss; the JEs 
don't, but they are different things.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -25,0 +26 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;soroban&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-07 01:21:35" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I was considering that too but I think "そろばん" can also be used to Western abaci.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>http://www.shuzan.jp/gakushu/history/03.html
古代のそろばん
...
土砂そろばん(Dust Abacus)
...
線そろばん（Line Abacus)</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-08-20 04:06:18" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Opencooper</upd_name>
<upd_detl>cf. 「読み書きそろばん」.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>saito; meikyo</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -26,0 +27,6 @@
+&lt;/sense&gt;
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;calculation (esp. of profit and loss)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;reckoning&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-08-20 04:36:44" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-12-02 09:25:46" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>算盤	42231
十露盤	1960
珠盤	21
そろばん	331078
ソロバン	56985</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -9,0 +10 @@
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;rK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -12,0 +14 @@
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;rK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>