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<k_ele>
<keb>歌う</keb>
<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>news1</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>nf15</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>唄う</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>詠う</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>謡う</keb>
<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>唱う</keb>
<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>うたう</reb>
<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
<re_pri>ichi2</re_pri>
<re_pri>news1</re_pri>
<re_pri>nf15</re_pri>
<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&v5u;</pos>
<pos>&vt;</pos>
<pos>&vi;</pos>
<gloss>to sing</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&v5u;</pos>
<pos>&vt;</pos>
<s_inf>esp. 歌う, 詠う</s_inf>
<gloss>to sing of (love, beauty, etc.) in a poem</gloss>
<gloss>to express in the form of a poem</gloss>
<gloss>to recite (a poem)</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2010-10-08 19:30:17" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Scott</upd_name>
<upd_refs>gg5 clearly has the additional meanings</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -38,0 +38,2 @@
+<gloss>to compose a poem</gloss>
+<gloss>to recite a poem</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-10-11 10:46:58" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-12-26 23:36:25" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_detl>Hi, this is marked as "vt", but can it not also be intransitive?</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-01-03 00:43:57" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>meikyo</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -21,0 +21,3 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>唱う</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -32,0 +35,1 @@
+<pos>&vi;</pos></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-01-03 00:46:49" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>daij, meikyo</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -41,0 +41,1 @@
+<s_inf>esp. 歌う, 詠う</s_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2013-01-07 04:23:06" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-11-13 06:06:37" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>歌う 4222623
唄う 351406
詠う 34216
謡う 14340
唱う 14235
I don't think 唄う is spec1 worthy</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +12,4 @@
-<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>詠う</keb>
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -16,4 +19 @@
-<ke_pri>ichi2</ke_pri>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>詠う</keb>
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -22,0 +23 @@
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-11-14 21:05:26" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Do we really want to tag a form with 34k in the ngrams as "rare"? I know it's less than 1% of 歌う's count but the difference is probably a lot
smaller if you look only at sense 2 usage (詠う doesn't apply to sense 1).</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>gg5, prog, dajij
美しさを歌った 274
美しさを詠った 51</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -43,3 +43,3 @@
-<gloss>to sing (one's praises in a poem, etc.)</gloss>
-<gloss>to compose a poem</gloss>
-<gloss>to recite a poem</gloss>
+<gloss>to sing of (love, beauty, etc.) in a poem</gloss>
+<gloss>to express in the form of a poem</gloss>
+<gloss>to recite (a poem)</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-11-14 23:40:21" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think the application of rK has to be
percentage-based, nothing else makes sense or
is actually helpful. If it's a lot more common
for a particular sense than overall, I
wouldn't tag it as rK though. But how common
is it for sense 2?</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-11-14 23:51:15" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>心を詠った 174
心を歌った 2030
心を唄った 140
心を謳った 54
故郷を詠った 32
故郷を歌った 277
故郷を唄った No matches
故郷を謳った No matches
愛を唄った 590
愛を謳った 674
愛を歌った 4023
愛を詠った 137
the daijs example is 故郷の心を-った. daijr is 愛
の美しさ-った
I don't think this shows it rising above being
a rK.</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-11-16 05:59:17" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>詩を歌う 2334
詩を詠う 1152
詩を歌って 1851
詩を詠って 278
詩を歌わ 330
詩を詠わ 46
Maaaybe here, though? But it's still a bit of a stretch, all of these added together. The point of the rK as I see it isn't to say
"this kanji might as well not have been included in this entry at all, it's completely pointless" but to tell esp. early learners
that it's quite rare and that they don't need to bother learning it by heart to feel they "know" the word in question, and also to
provide guidance for reverse lookups. It's not to say they won't ever, in a lifetime of reading Japanese, possibly come across it or
find reason to use it. Since we do mention it in a note on sense 2, and considering these ngrams, I'm OK with removing it, though.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -15 +14,0 @@
-<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>