<entry id="2158170" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1342550</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>初めて</keb>
<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>始めて</keb>
<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>甫めて</keb>
<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>はじめて</reb>
<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&adv;</pos>
<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="1307550">始める・1</xref>
<gloss>for the first time</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&adv;</pos>
<s_inf>after the -te form of a verb</s_inf>
<gloss>only after ... is it ...</gloss>
<gloss>only when ... do you ...</gloss>
<gloss>not until ... do you ...</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<misc>&col;</misc>
<gloss>first time</gloss>
<gloss>(one's) first</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2011-06-29 04:35:58" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>merging in 2644230 as a usage note.  not nouns</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -20,2 +20,2 @@
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1307550"&gt;始める&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;adj-no;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1307550"&gt;始める・1&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -26,1 +26,1 @@
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;after the -te form of a verb&lt;/s_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-06-29 04:37:29" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-05-20 19:48:38" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Julius</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -29,0 +30,7 @@
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;stagk&gt;初めて&lt;/stagk&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;col;&lt;/misc&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;the first time&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;the event of losing one's virginity&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-05-20 22:54:19" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>No reference!
Is that really a different sense?</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-05-27 01:18:07" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>No response. I think it's just a way of using sense 1.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -30,7 +29,0 @@
-&lt;sense&gt;
-&lt;stagk&gt;初めて&lt;/stagk&gt;
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
-&lt;misc&gt;&amp;col;&lt;/misc&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;the first time&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;the event of losing one's virginity&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;/sense&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-05-27 01:27:39" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_detl>I don't know if it should be a separate sense, 
but it is used as a noun - 私の初めてが...</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-05-30 03:39:59" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>we'd need a reference to say it's a different sense.

in any case, when the context is clear, we say "it was my first time" without further clarification with the exact same meaning in english, so the current glosses seem to work</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-05-30 04:18:59" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_detl>"first time" is a noun, "for the first time" is not. You wouldn't say "my firstly" in English either.　A third sense could maybe look like 
this:
[1][n,adj-no,col]
first; first time</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>はじめてがいっぱい!
私の初めてが、あなたでよかった
当たり前のことですが、すべてのことに初めてがあるのです。</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-05-31 23:10:53" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I'm OK with a noun sense. We can keep it general.
We already have adj-no on sense 1 so I don't think it's needed on the new sense.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>初めてが	8250
初めてを	6518</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -28,0 +29,6 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;not until ... do you ...&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;col;&lt;/misc&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;first time&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-06-01 01:14:11" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-06-01 05:58:15" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_detl>I think there's a good case for including 
(one's) first, which also covers the original
amendment</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -34,0 +35 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;(one's) first&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-06-01 06:09:23" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK with me.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-11-13 04:56:07" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>始めて	10101812
はじめて	20198630
甫めて	113
初めて	58930915
はじめて	20198630</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -9,0 +10 @@
+&lt;ke_pri&gt;spec1&lt;/ke_pri&gt;
@@ -12,0 +14 @@
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;rK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -16,0 +19 @@
+&lt;re_pri&gt;spec1&lt;/re_pri&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>