<entry id="2156392" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1000420</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>彼の</keb>
<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>あの</reb>
<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>あん</reb>
<re_nokanji/>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&adj-pn;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="1920240">どの</xref>
<xref type="see" seq="1582920">この・1</xref>
<xref type="see" seq="1006830">その・1</xref>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<s_inf>someone or something distant from both speaker and listener, or situation unfamiliar to both speaker and listener</s_inf>
<gloss>that</gloss>
<gloss>those</gloss>
<gloss>the</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2010-09-02 06:24:10" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>tightening x-refs</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -19,2 +19,2 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1006830"&gt;其の&lt;/xref&gt;
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1000580"&gt;彼・あれ&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1006830"&gt;其の・1&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1000580"&gt;彼・あれ・1&lt;/xref&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-04-08 14:13:24" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>eg あん時
(あん時	41071
あの時	2178165)

Should かの be ok-tagged?</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -14,0 +15,4 @@
+&lt;r_ele&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;あん&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;re_nokanji/&gt;
+&lt;/r_ele&gt;
@@ -23 +27,2 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;that (someone or something distant from both speaker and listener, or situation unfamiliar to both speaker and listener)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;someone or something distant from both speaker and listener, or situation unfamiliar to both speaker and listener&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;that&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-04-10 04:52:47" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Probably.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -13,0 +14 @@
+&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;ok;&lt;/re_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-07-24 05:27:42" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Maybe?</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://mobile.twitter.com/jake_j_jung/status/1286105064847765504/photo/2</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -28 +28 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;that&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;that well-known...&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-07-24 07:01:15" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Ah, sorry, didn't realize あの and かの are the same entry. Should かの maybe be split-out? Not sure [ok] is correct based on 
the wa-ei entry/example sentence (from GG5?) pictured in the tweet.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-07-25 07:28:27" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>But it doesn't have to be "well-known" to use あの. Consider this example from GG5:
あの山は何という山ですか. What's that mountain over there called?
It just has to be away from the speaker and listener.
Re the "ok" on かの, I think I mistook what was going on. No it's not appropriate. I don't think it should be split out - GG5 etc equate it to あの.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>GG5: "that; those; the"</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -14 +13,0 @@
-&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;ok;&lt;/re_inf&gt;
@@ -28 +27,3 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;that well-known...&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;that&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;those&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;the&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-07-25 08:18:58" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_refs>新明解:
かの【彼の】【彼】
（連体） だれでもよく知っているはずの、あの。</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-07-25 12:50:56" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>So I first edited this entry thinking it 
was just かの, not both あの、かの. I agree 
the "that well-known" doesn't work for あ
の, but based on those tweets and the 
sources mentioned there, I think there's a 
good case for splitting out かの as "that 
(well-known)" or sth like it.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-07-26 03:59:24" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK.  かの split off.  I've reindexed the 1,345 彼の{あの} sentences. There are probably some more lurking.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -11,3 +10,0 @@
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;かの&lt;/reb&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-07-26 10:39:59" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -18,4 +18,3 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1920240"&gt;何の・どの&lt;/xref&gt;
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1582920"&gt;此の・1&lt;/xref&gt;
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1006830"&gt;其の・1&lt;/xref&gt;
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1000580"&gt;彼・あれ・1&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1920240"&gt;どの&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1582920"&gt;この・1&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1006830"&gt;その・1&lt;/xref&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-11-06 08:05:52" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>彼の人	18430
あの人	3749347</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -6 +6 @@
-&lt;ke_pri&gt;spec1&lt;/ke_pri&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;rK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>