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<xref type="see" seq="2034520">でさえ・1</xref>
<gloss>even (e.g. as a child)</gloss>
<audit time="2012-11-26 22:14:30" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
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<upd_detl>Probably should be split, but it's convenient having them together</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>DAJG p432 (describes it as a "compound particle"), Daijr (has both), GG5 (just してからが)</upd_refs>
<audit time="2012-11-27 01:58:31" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
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<upd_detl>Might "してからが" by itself + a usage note ("often/sometimes 
に...") be better?</upd_detl>
<audit time="2012-12-06 07:43:41" stat="A">
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
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<upd_detl>i was thinking the same thing, but meikyo has both.  i don't see the harm</upd_detl>
<audit time="2021-11-01 10:59:32" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
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<upd_detl>I'm sure gloss can be improved. still not sure about having にしてからが;してからが together</upd_detl>
して から が
<upd_diff>@@ -14,2 +14 @@
-&lt;gloss g_type="expl"&gt;indicates something unexpected occurs&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;even (something as unexpected as...)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
<audit time="2021-11-03 02:13:23" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
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<upd_detl>Aligning with でさえ.
It's always used with に so I think we can drop the してからが form.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -7,3 +6,0 @@
@@ -13,2 +10,2 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2034520"&gt;でさえ&lt;/xref&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;even (something as unexpected as...)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2034520"&gt;でさえ・1&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;even (e.g. as a child)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
<audit time="2021-11-03 09:09:00" stat="A">
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>

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