jmdict
1006530
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2152876)
<entry id="2152876" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1006530</ent_seq>
<r_ele>
<reb>せず</reb>
<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&exp;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="1006540">せずに</xref>
<misc>&form;</misc>
<s_inf>neg. continuative form of する</s_inf>
<gloss>without doing</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2020-04-19 01:24:14" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I feel this is not correct, and not needed. It's "just" an inflection.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>?</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-04-19 15:14:23" stat="D" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Indeed. Just the ず form of する. It's definitely not a particle. I think it can go.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-04-19 22:16:53" stat="D">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-01-09 21:23:03" stat="D" unap="true">
<upd_name>Timofei Shatrov</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Why is this (extremely common) word deleted?
It's not listed as any valid conjugation of する here: http://www.edrdg.org/jmdictdb/cgi-bin/conj.py?e=2000606&svc=jmdict&sid=&
so how I'm supposed to parse something like 存在せず if it can't be derived from conjugation rules?</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-01-10 00:27:43" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>It's not really a word in its own right, so to speak, but an inflection of する. See row 1
of the linked table. We have せずに as an entry as this is common adverb.
Maybe it could be revived.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://www.edrdg.org/cgi-bin/wwwjdic/wwwjdic?1W%B0%D9%A4%EB_vs-i</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -8,2 +8,4 @@
-<pos>&prt;</pos>
-<pos>&suf;</pos>
+<pos>&unc;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1006540">せずに</xref>
+<misc>&litf;</misc>
+<s_inf>neg. continuative form of する</s_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-01-11 04:34:46" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>We usually tag conjugations as exp, I believe.
If it doesn't appear in the conjugation table, I think that's really an issue with the conjugation table.
A jisho search for せず for example brings up
"せず could be an inflection of する, with these forms:
Zu-form. It means “Without doing Verb.”"
(unfortunately, they also have this entry appearing, even though it was deleted 8 months ago... I thought Kim had fixed this issue)
If we include this, we should also have 来ず. But I'm not convinced we need either.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -8 +8 @@
-<pos>&unc;</pos>
+<pos>&exp;</pos></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-01-12 21:04:35" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Timofei Shatrov</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>The difference is that 来ず[こず] comes from 来ない[こない] regularly, while しない to せず is irregular and it's not obvious what it's a conjugation of.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-01-13 01:32:15" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think it's probably better to have it than not. The note, etc. should help. It's not
really irregular, any more than other する inflections are.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-10-20 01:09:42" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I don't think just "without" is a good gloss</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +12 @@
-<gloss>without</gloss>
+<gloss>without doing</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-10-20 01:10:49" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,0 +6 @@
+<re_pri>spec1</re_pri></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-10-20 05:43:44" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>