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<entry id="2152209" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1211890</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>官話</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>かんわ</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<misc>&hist;</misc>
<gloss>Qing Mandarin (standard variety of Chinese spoken by official classes during the Qing dynasty)</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<gloss>Mandarin (branch of Chinese spoken in northern and southwestern China)</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2018-10-22 04:09:12" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>GG5, etc.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +12,2 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;Mandarin (language)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;Mandarin (Chinese)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;standard modern Chinese&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-10-22 18:18:40" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>All the kokugos describe this as an old term for standard Chinese but Wikipedia has a modern definition as well. I think we should have 2 senses.
I don't think it ever refers to modern standard Chinese (which is typically translated as 普通話 or 標準中国語).</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>daijr: "中国,清代の公用・標準語。"
daijs: "かつて中国の官界・上流社会で用いられた標準的言語。"
koj: "中国における共通語の旧称。"
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/官話
jwiki: "官話は上記のように本来は官僚の共通語の意味であるが、現在は方言名・言語名として使われることがある。"</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -12,2 +12,5 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;Mandarin (Chinese)&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;standard modern Chinese&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;Mandarin (standard variety of Chinese spoken by official classes of the Empire)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;Mandarin (group of related Chinese dialects)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-10-22 21:55:09" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think this is more accurate (I defer to my old friend Victor Mair on the use of "topolect".)
My earlier version was straight from GG5.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/topolect</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +12 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;Mandarin (standard variety of Chinese spoken by official classes of the Empire)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;Mandarin (standard variety of Chinese spoken by official classes during the Qing dynasty)&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -16 +16 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;Mandarin (group of related Chinese dialects)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;Mandarin (group of related Chinese topolects)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-10-23 10:45:53" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>As much as I like the word, we should probably go with something that most people will understand.
This is maybe a better description.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_Chinese</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -16 +16 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;Mandarin (group of related Chinese topolects)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;Mandarin (branch of Chinese spoken in northern and southwestern China)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-10-23 12:33:34" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +12 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;Mandarin (standard variety of Chinese spoken by official classes during the Qing dynasty)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;Qing Mandarin (standard variety of Chinese spoken by official classes during the Qing dynasty)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-10-23 22:24:49" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-10-16 07:03:11" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;hist;&lt;/misc&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>



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