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<entry id="2149495" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2822480</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>何のかんばせあって</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>何の顔あって</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>なんのかんばせあって</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&exp;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="2113350">どの面下げて</xref>
<misc>&rare;</misc>
<gloss>how could I (you, etc.) ...?</gloss>
<gloss>how dare you (they, etc.) (have the nerve to) ...?</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2014-08-31 05:03:48" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Curtis Naito</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>I found this in Kenkyusha's New Japanese-English Dictionary (5th Edition) under the entry for "顔(かんばせ)". It looks to me like it means the same thing as "どの面下げて".</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-09-01 06:05:12" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Barely a useful idiom. In the Google n-gram corpus it gets no hits (i.e. &lt; 20). 何の顔あって (no か) gets 25, and どの面下げて gets over 9,000.
I think it's not common enough to include.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-09-01 10:07:02" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_detl>also not sure whether it's worth including, but some more refs</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>daijs かんばせ entry 2 体面。面目。「何の―あって父母にまみえんや」

ngram "何のかんばせあって	57"</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-09-02 02:07:35" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Curtis Naito</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>If you decide to include it I just noticed that Daijirin uses kanji for "有て".</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>http://kotobank.jp/word/%E9%A1%94?dic=daijirin&amp;oid=DJR_kannbase_-010</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;何の顔有てか&lt;/keb&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-09-02 11:25:45" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>rare, but i think it's fine as obsc or arch
何の顔有てか is archaic okurigana usage and appears in only one google hit (same ref used by daijr)</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>shinmeikai, meikyo, koj mention it as well

shinmeikai:
なんの-有って〔=どのつら下げて〕
meikyo:
「何の━あって相まみえん(=合わせる顔がない)」</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,4 +5 @@
-&lt;keb&gt;何の顔あってか&lt;/keb&gt;
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
-&lt;keb&gt;何の顔有てか&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;何の顔あって&lt;/keb&gt;
@@ -11 +8 @@
-&lt;reb&gt;なんのかんばせあってか&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;なんのかんばせあって&lt;/reb&gt;
@@ -14,0 +12,2 @@
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2113350"&gt;どの面下げて・どのつらさげて&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;obsc;&lt;/misc&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-09-02 13:23:20" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK. I'll add the more common kana variant.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -3,0 +4,3 @@
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;何のかんばせあって&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-10-04 08:48:39" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -17,2 +17,2 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;How could I (you, etc.) ...?&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;How dare you (they, etc.) (have the nerve to) ...?&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;how could I (you, etc.) ...?&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;how dare you (they, etc.) (have the nerve to) ...?&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-10-05 23:46:15" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -15 +15 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2113350"&gt;どの面下げて・どのつらさげて&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2113350"&gt;どの面下げて&lt;/xref&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>



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