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<r_ele>
<reb>パン</reb>
<re_pri>gai1</re_pri>
<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<s_inf>originally written 麺麭 or 麪包</s_inf>
<lsource xml:lang="por">pão</lsource>
<gloss>bread</gloss>
<gloss>(sweet) pastry</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<gloss>staff of life</gloss>
<gloss>one's bread</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2010-08-02 20:55:55" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>mimicking a helpful edit paul made to the 'foxface' submission</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -20,0 +20,1 @@
+<lsource xml:lang="eng">pan</lsource></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-08-03 07:03:12" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-10-22 01:23:05" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Might as well improve this.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -12,1 +12,1 @@
-<lsource xml:lang="por">pao</lsource>
+<lsource xml:lang="por">pão</lsource></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-10-22 23:23:38" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-09-27 00:27:19" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Splitting on source language.
I don't think the "pastry" glosses are needed.
Should we drop the sense 1 note and instead add パン as a gikun reading to the 麺麭 entry?</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>gg5, prog, daij</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -14,2 +13,0 @@
-<gloss>pastries (e.g. croissants)</gloss>
-<gloss>pastry-based products</gloss>
@@ -19,9 +17,2 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1111160">フライパン</xref>
-<lsource xml:lang="eng">pan</lsource>
-<gloss>pan</gloss>
-<gloss>frying pan</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<pos>&vs;</pos>
-<gloss>panning (in a film)</gloss>
+<gloss>staff of life</gloss>
+<gloss>one's bread</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-09-27 04:13:53" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I do think we should include pastry in the first sense, or even as a separate sense. There's a discernible
difference in the search results on google images for 甘いパン vs "sweet bread". Japanese Wikipedia
describes a "Danish" like this: "デニッシュとは、パンの一種。" English wikipedia says "A Danish pastry,
sometimes shortened to just Danish, is a multilayered, laminated sweet pastry in the viennoiserie
tradition." I'm having trouble finding any English-language references to Danish pastry as "bread." On
Quora (a site I definitely don't hold in high repute, but still), the consensus seems to be that a
croissant is not a bread but a pastry. https://www.quora.com/Is-croissant-a-type-of-bread
enwiki, again, says that "Pastry is differentiated from bread by having a higher fat content"</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -13,0 +14 @@
+<gloss>pastry</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-09-27 13:23:44" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Fair point. We may want to specify that it refers to sweet baked goods (as opposed to the dough or savoury pastries like Cornish pasties).</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -14 +14 @@
-<gloss>pastry</gloss>
+<gloss>(sweet) pastry (e.g. croissant)</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-09-28 04:05:24" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-09-28 07:39:24" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>croissants aren't necessarily sweet! I think it looks good without an example.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -14 +14 @@
-<gloss>(sweet) pastry (e.g. croissant)</gloss>
+<gloss>(sweet) pastry</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>