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<entry id="2146428" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2830801</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>木星型惑星</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>もくせいがたわくせい</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="2830806">天王星型惑星</xref>
<field>&astron;</field>
<gloss>gas giant (Jupiter, Saturn)</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<field>&astron;</field>
<gloss>giant planet (Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune)</gloss>
<gloss>Jovian planet</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2016-12-15 22:31:40" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_refs>Daijr, Daijs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_planet
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%9C%A8%E6%98%9F%E5%9E%8B%E6%83%91%E6%98%9F</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-12-16 02:50:50" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-12-16 07:54:32" stat="A">
<upd_uid>johan</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Johan Råde</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -13 +13 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;jovian planet&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;Jovian planet&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-12-16 11:35:22" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>johan</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Johan Råde</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>jwiki uses 木星型惑星 in sense 2, but I find daijs more convincing</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>daijs</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -12,0 +13 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;gas giant&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -13,0 +15,5 @@
+&lt;/sense&gt;
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;field&gt;&amp;astron;&lt;/field&gt;
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;obs;&lt;/misc&gt;
@@ -14,0 +21 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;Jovian planet&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-12-16 16:12:48" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_detl>As can be seen from the first of the two refs above, both definitions appear in reputable sources so I wouldn't label either sense as "obscure".

Daijs is right in saying that Uranus and Neptune have been reclassified as "ice giants", but contradicts itself somewhat by redirecting both 巨大ガス惑星 and 大惑星 to 木星型惑星 even though Uranus and Neptune are still very much 大惑星 (giant planets).

The confusion is compounded by the fact that "gas giant" is still often used synonymous with "giant planet" in English.

Given that JAXA only includes Uranus and Neptune in their definition of 木星型惑星 (ref 2), I agree with placing the "gas giant" sense first. However, I've removed "Jovian planet" from that sense because it's only ever a synonym for "gas giant" when "gas giant" refers to all four giant planets.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://kotobank.jp/word/%E6%9C%A8%E6%98%9F%E5%9E%8B%E6%83%91%E6%98%9F-142227
http://spaceinfo.jaxa.jp/ja/solar_system_formation.html</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -14 +13,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;Jovian planet&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -19 +17,0 @@
-&lt;misc&gt;&amp;obs;&lt;/misc&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-12-16 19:39:29" stat="A">
<upd_uid>johan</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Johan Råde</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Robin, obs = obsolete, obsc = obscure
----
Since this is rather confusing, I made the glosses more explicit
----
we will have to clean up the xrefs</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -13 +13 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;gas giant&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;gas giant (Jupiter, Saturn)&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -18 +18 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;giant planet&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;giant planet (Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-12-16 19:46:10" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>johan</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Johan Råde</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2830806"&gt;天王星型惑星・てんのうせいがたわくせい&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -16,0 +18 @@
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2830802"&gt;大惑星・だいわくせい&lt;/xref&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-12-17 16:07:37" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_detl>Johan, this looks good. 
------
Sorry, I misread the tag.

Also, I of course meant to say "JAXA only includes *Jupiter and Saturn* in their definition of 木星型惑星" in my previous comment, but the most recent edit reflects that.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-12-17 16:13:46" stat="A">
<upd_uid>johan</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Johan Råde</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think we got it more or less right at last</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-09-11 01:37:43" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>don't think this xref is needed</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -18,2 +17,0 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2830802"&gt;大惑星・だいわくせい&lt;/xref&gt;
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2830802"&gt;大惑星・だいわくせい・1&lt;/xref&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-09-12 00:15:02" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +12 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2830806"&gt;天王星型惑星・てんのうせいがたわくせい&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2830806"&gt;天王星型惑星&lt;/xref&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>



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