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jmnedict 5743322 Deleted (id: 2146098)
<entry id="2146098" stat="D" corpus="jmnedict" type="jmnedict">
<ent_corp type="jmnedict">jmnedict</ent_corp>
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<k_ele>
<keb>人狼</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>じんろう</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<misc>&product;</misc>
<gloss>Mafia (party game)</gloss>
<gloss>Werewolf</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2021-09-03 11:04:44" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I see we have some games tagged "work".
Moved from JMdict.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-09-03 14:09:48" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think this is should stay in jmdict. It's a game but not a product. More commonly known as "Mafia" in English.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_(party_game)</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +12,2 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;Werewolf (social deduction game)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;Mafia (party game)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;Werewolf&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-09-04 23:29:18" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>人狼 is a JMdict entry (2792560). The question really is whether products, games, etc. which are named after things in the main dictionary go here or become a sense there, or both. Do we need to establish a policy?</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-09-07 00:00:24" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I don't think it's the sort of thing that belongs in the names dictionary. It's an activity (like charades). It's not played with any equipment.
According to jwiki, it's based on "汝は人狼なりや?" (The Werewolves of Millers Hollow), which *is* a product.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%B1%9D%E3%81%AF%E4%BA%BA%E7%8B%BC%E3%81%AA%E3%82%8A%E3%82%84%3F</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-09-07 01:00:48" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I feel that Mafia and Werewolf are two different, if almost identical games. I don't think that anybody playing the game with werewolf-based 
roles refers to that game as "Mafia", nor that anybody playing it with mafia-based roles refers to that game as "Werewolf." Also in my (highly 
anecdotal) experience, Werewolf is the more popular version - though I was first introduced to it as "Mafia" some 20 years ago, I've only come 
across it as "Werewolf" after that.

I agree it's not a single product but more akin to charades. There's a lot of boxed versions of the game with a sea of different names (人狼 
SUPER DX from Gentosha, ワンナイト人狼 by a smaller company, コンプレックス人狼 by 株式会社人間, 究極の人狼デラックス by Bezier Games) but all you 
really need to play the basic version is pen and paper.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BA%BA%E7%8B%BC%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-09-07 04:19:45" stat="D">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK, I'll drop this and add another sense to the JMdict 人狼 entry. We can argue over the Mafia/Werewolf issue there.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_(party_game) - "Mafia, also known as Werewolf, is a social deduction game, created by Dimitry Davidoff in 1986."</upd_refs>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>



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