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<k_ele>
<keb>良くないね</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>よくないね</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>∫</pos>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<gloss>(that's) no good, is it?</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<xref type="ant" seq="2829960">いいね・2</xref>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<gloss>dislike (on social media, etc.)</gloss>
<gloss>thumbs-down</gloss>
<gloss>downvote</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2021-07-14 14:27:19" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>on my phone, will add sources later</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-14 23:55:31" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>https://www.itmedia.co.jp/news/articles/2011/24/news130.html
「Twitterのよくないねボタンは不要」6割超え 日本トレンドリサーチ調べ (2020.11)
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/33a1d1d9cbbf1231696c7c00ed1c527d56488461
Twitterが「よくないね」ボタン追加を検討？ 絵文字に対するユーザー調査を実施 (2021.3)
https://www.gizmodo.jp/2015/10/post_18494.html
フェイスブックの｢よくないね！｣ボタンが感情を表す絵文字になりました (2015.10)
it's purely hypothetical with FB and twitter, but Yahoo! News comments section allows you upvote or downvote comments, though the
official terminology is 「そう思う」「そう思わない」
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q12182590472
ヤフーニュースのコメントで「いいね」「よくないね」の評価を何千何万ともらえる方がいらっしゃいますが、どうやったらそれだけもらえるのでしょうか？？
私はどう頑張っても数百がいいところです。</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -9,0 +10 @@
+<gloss>thumbs-down</gloss>
@@ -10,0 +12,4 @@
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<gloss>(that's) no good, is it?</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-15 00:11:00" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Aligning a little with いいね</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -7,0 +8,4 @@
+<pos>&int;</pos>
+<gloss>(that's) no good, is it?</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
@@ -8,0 +13 @@
+<xref type="ant" seq="2829960">いいね・2</xref>
@@ -12,4 +16,0 @@
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&exp;</pos>
-<gloss>(that's) no good, is it?</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-15 00:21:05" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-16 11:08:02" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I don't think this should be an entry.
Online results for よくないね are almost entirely about the hypothetical "dislike" button that Twitter, Facebook, etc. will never add.
Actual "dislikes"/"downvotes" (on sites that have them) are almost always referred to by a different name (e.g. 低評価 on YouTube). I've never encountered よくないね with this meaning before.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-16 14:59:01" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>"I've never encountered よくないね with this meaning before."
Well, I have, several times.
Also, tweets:
"よくないねボタン" 16/past 24 hours
"よくないねを" 2/past 24 hours (both with this meaning)
YouTube/Yahoo News might not officially call their downvote buttons "よくないね" but they're frequently referred to by
that name.
https://iphone-mania.jp/news-238849/
YouTubeから“よくないね”ボタンが消える？〜悪意ある低評価の対策で
...
YouTubeが頭を痛めるのは、「よくないね集団（dislike mobs）」とでもいうべき悪意あるユーザーたちです。
...
“よくないね”そのものをなくす検討も
同社でプロジェクトマネージメント・ディレクターを務めるトム・レオン氏によると、“軽い議論の段階”ではあるものの、低評価の選択肢そのもの
をなくしてしまうというプランも検討されているようです。
https://www.epochtimes.jp/p/2021/04/71028.html
ニューストップ ＞ 中国
YouTube、「よくないね」を隠すテストを開始 ホワイトハウスの動画への酷評が原因か
Also on "respectable" news sites:
https://www.asahi.com/international/reuters/CRWKBN0TX0CX.html
ドイツでフェイスブック事務所に暴徒、「よくないね」の落書きも
https://www.sankei.com/economy/news/201124/prl2011240568-n1.html
【Twitter・検討中の機能】よくないねボタン、「必要だと思わない」が62.1％
https://www.sankei.com/economy/news/191213/prl1912130038-n1.html
またドライバーは、車両管理者からのメッセージに対して「いいね」「よくないね」といったリアクションを返すことが可能です。
https://mainichi.jp/articles/20200904/k00/00m/040/160000c
"動画に対して低評価を意味する「よくないね」の数は1381件で..."</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-16 17:38:49" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Looking through recent "よくないね" tweets, the vast majority are about wanting a dislike button on Twitter (or other sites that lack one).
I'm not saying it's never used to refer to existing dislike/downvote buttons, but my impression is that it's pretty uncommon. In the past 10+ years of watching Japanese content on YouTube, I haven't seen or heard "よくないね" once; it's always "低評価".
I don't think "よくないね" is much more than a play on "いいね"; it doesn't appear to be a widely used general term for dislikes/downvotes.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-17 01:09:00" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I was going to sit this one out, but I noticed the surprising n-gram counts, both the one for 良くないねand also the fact that it was being used quite a bit in 2007. Yes, a lot of the discussion is about buttons, with the FB discussion mainly a few years back.
I think that given the counts and the reasonable WWW hits, and the particular focus in sense 2. it's probably better to have than to ignore.
I'll approve this to pin in the kanji form, and then reopen if we want to continue the debate,</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>よくないね 24293
良くないね 21007
良く無いね 272</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -3,0 +4,3 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>良くないね</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -8,0 +12 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
@@ -13,0 +18 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-17 01:09:20" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Reopen.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-17 01:15:29" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I don't see how the fact that a lot of the discussion on twitter mainly is about a function that's non-existent on that
service, becomes an argument for not having this as an entry. It's a real expression for a real thing, it's frequently
used, it's non-obvious to a learner and quite different from the English expression ("dislike"). It's a play on いいね,
yes, but it's not something 15 people on twitter came up with independently on twitter the past 24 hrs. It's definitely
an established term, even if it might not be the most common way of referring to the phenomenon on every particular
service (i.e. 低評価 might be more common on YouTube,)</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>tweets:
ダウンボートボタン 1 in total (i.e. since the inception of twitter)
ディスライクボタン 1 past month
そう思わないボタン 4 past month
低評価ボタン 14 past 24hrs
よくないねボタン 15 past 24 hrs</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-17 01:57:25" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>"やだねボタン" 7 tweets past month</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-17 15:39:48" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>>> it's not something 15 people on twitter came up with independently on twitter the past 24 hrs. It's definitely an established term
I disagree. I absolutely think it's something that many (if not most) people are coming up with independently. It's just the negation of いいね, and in the vast majority of cases it refers specifically to a hypothesised/requested feature on platforms that refer to likes as "いいね".
Other (non-social media) platforms have dislikes/downvotes but they're rarely referred to as よくないね. If よくないね were an established term, I'd expect to see it more widely used.
"いいねをつけた" - 20m Google hits
"よくないねをつけた" - 1 Google hit</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-18 12:53:49" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>It might not be used the same way as いいね or even be 1/100th as common as it, but neither is "dislike" (vs. "like") in these
contexts in English. You'll also find people say "I liked it" (i.e. いいねをつけた) but not "I disliked it". （よくないねをつけた） Just
because words have opposite meanings doesn't mean they are used in the exact same way.
Either way, I think the references I've posted show it's clearly the most common word for this term and that it's been used with this
meaning in several well-respected newspapers. I have the utmost respect for you as an editor but I'm honestly kind of perplexed that
you find this is an argument worth having.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-19 01:05:16" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>The respect is mutual but I think your last sentence is a little unfair. It takes two people to have an argument and you must think this one is worth having or you wouldn't be sticking up for the term's inclusion. I'm treating this submission like any other and explaining why I don't think it should be an entry (as we editors regularly do). I probably haven't laid out my reasoning as clearly as I could have so I'll try one more time.
To me, this looks like a mostly on-the-fly expression used in a very specific context, not a widely used and established term like "dislike"/"downvote"/"thumbs down" as the submission implies.
"嫌いボタン" gets twice as many Google hits as "よくないねボタン", so it's not the only way of expressing this concept.
"よくないねをつけた" was the example I picked, but you'll find that any expression containing よくないね is extremely uncommon (which cannot be said for "dislike" or "downvote"). One would expect these expressions to have a lot of hits:
よくないねが多い - 5 hits (cf. いいねが多い - 1.5m hits)
よくないね数 - 22 hits (cf. いいね数 - 8m hits)
Its obscurity as a general term for dislikes/downvotes makes it unsuitable for inclusion, in my view.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://www.asahi.com/articles/ASNCM6RWQNCMUTIL01N.html
ツイッターに「嫌い」ボタン追加？SNS上に戸惑いの声
https://www.j-cast.com/2020/11/20399417.html?p=all
ツイッターの「嫌いボタン」導入で、なにが起きる？ 心理学的に分析する「炎上のリスク」
https://cubeglb.com/media/2020/11/18/twitter_kirai/
twitterに嫌いボタンが実装されるって本当？
https://asajo.jp/excerpt/101587
「嫌いボタン」導入ならツイッター辞める？
https://www.huffingtonpost.jp/entry/story_jp_5fbf1749c5b6e4b1ea488a6d
Twitterの「嫌いボタン」不要と感じる人が62.1%</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-19 13:19:13" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I expressed myself clumsily, apologies. I do however think I've sufficiently proven that this is by far the most
common Japanese word for a social media dislike in general, and that it's fairly commonly used across several
different social media platforms and in the news media. I agree it's probably not really in everyday parlance as
of now but considering how frequently it IS used online, I really don't see the issue.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Robin: "嫌いボタン" gets twice as many Google hits as "よくないねボタン", so it's not the only way of expressing
this concept.
tweets past 24hrs:
よくないねボタン 11
嫌いボタン 1</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-20 23:51:10" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>It's the most common way of referring to an *entirely hypothetical* social media "dislike". Social media platforms do not have dislike buttons, so it isn't surprising that people would use the exact negation of the existing "いいね" to discuss "dislikes" as a potential feature. In contexts where it's not merely hypothetical, よくないね is very obscure. As long as it's mainly just a way of referring to a feature that doesn't exist, I don't think it's worth recording.
I'm not going to press this any further so unless anyone else wants to add their thoughts, Jim (or another editor) can close this.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-21 01:27:27" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think calling it "entirely hypothetical" is demonstrably false based on the numerous refs I've already posted. I
think that SNS dislike/downvote buttons exist to roughly the same extent in both the West and in Japan, and although
they aren't used by the the "Big 3" (Twitter/Facebook/Instagram), they exist on several other major sites already
mentioned. But even if it were indeed 100% hypothetical, I don't see the issue with that. I think our job as
dictionary editors is to determine whether the word exists/is used, not to what extent the concept it describes is
real. Again, I agree that this has not been established as THE word for a "dislike" that's known by each and
everyone but that seems irrelevant to me when it is 1) as commonly used as it is, again see the twitter results for
よくないねボタン - we've added plenty of words with way less "tweetits" than that - and 2) it's by far the most common
word for this of the several other ones we've come across.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-21 02:53:37" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Yes, it's probably appropriate to call time on this one. As I said a few days back "I was going to sit this one out". I can see both sides of the discussion, but I think when it comes to the crunch I'd rather err on the side of inclusion.
For some reason, I am reminded of an over-long and doubtless apocryphal story that I heard from a late academic colleague:
A mathematics professor was in the midst of a long elucidation of some complex formulae on the blackboard, and reached a point where he said "Now, it's obvious that ...". Then he paused, scratched his head, look worried, and after a few minutes left the lecture hall, saying "I'll be back soon!". After about 20 minutes he returned, beaming. "I was right", he said. "It IS obvious ...".</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-21 23:58:35" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>>> I think calling it "entirely hypothetical" is demonstrably false based on the numerous refs I've already posted.
I'm saying that it's only the most common term when referring to hypothetical dislikes. On sites that actually have such a feature (e.g. YouTube, Yahoo News), it's not the favoured term. Compare Twitter results for "ヤフコメ よくないね" and "ヤフコメ そう思わない", or "Youtube 低評価" and "Youtube よくないね".
>> I think that SNS dislike/downvote buttons exist to roughly the same extent in both the West and in Japan
I was using quite a strict definition of "social media" that wouldn't include sites like YouTube. As far as I know, dislikes are not a thing (or very rarely a thing) on "traditional" social media sites (due to concerns about bullying, etc.)
>> see the twitter results for よくないねボタン
It's reasonably common, yes, but so is 低評価ボタン (slightly more so than よくないねボタン by my count — and a lot of the results aren't YouTube-related).</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -19 +19 @@
-<gloss>dislike (i.e. on social media)</gloss>
+<gloss>dislike (on social media, etc.)</gloss></upd_diff>
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