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<entry id="2115355" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1593410</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>込む</keb>
<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>news2</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>nf46</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>こむ</reb>
<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
<re_pri>news2</re_pri>
<re_pri>nf46</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&v5m;</pos>
<pos>&vi;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="2849867">混む</xref>
<s_inf>usu. 混む</s_inf>
<gloss>to be crowded</gloss>
<gloss>to be packed</gloss>
<gloss>to be congested</gloss>
<gloss>to be thronged (with)</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&v5m;</pos>
<pos>&vi;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="1895890">手の込んだ</xref>
<gloss>to be complex</gloss>
<gloss>to be intricate</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&suf;</pos>
<s_inf>after -masu stem of verb</s_inf>
<gloss>to go into</gloss>
<gloss>to go in</gloss>
<gloss>to put into</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&suf;</pos>
<s_inf>after -masu stem of verb</s_inf>
<gloss>to become (completely)</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&suf;</pos>
<s_inf>after -masu stem of verb</s_inf>
<gloss>to do thoroughly</gloss>
<gloss>to do sufficiently</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&suf;</pos>
<s_inf>after -masu stem of verb</s_inf>
<gloss>to remain (silent, seated, etc.)</gloss>
<gloss>to stay ...</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2016-02-04 19:00:53" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Johan Råde</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>daijs:
  籠む irregular, 篭む not mentioned
KM ngrams:
  込む	18706
  混む	13075
  籠む	18
  篭む	4
  込ん	52189
  混ん	68769
  籠ん	8
  篭ん	7</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -15,0 +16 @@
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;iK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -18,0 +20 @@
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;iK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-02-05 03:07:49" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-07 08:57:00" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_diff>@@ -28,0 +29 @@
+&lt;stagk&gt;混む&lt;/stagk&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-08 08:01:20" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think this reflects the situation better.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>GG5 (only has 込む for all senses.), 中辞典, etc.
込む	1311295
混む	527876
込んだ電車	382
混んだ電車	5814
手の込んだ料理	18952
手の混んだ料理	204</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -29 +28,0 @@
-&lt;stagk&gt;混む&lt;/stagk&gt;
@@ -31,0 +31 @@
+&lt;s_inf&gt;usu. 混む&lt;/s_inf&gt;
@@ -38,0 +39 @@
+&lt;s_inf&gt;usu. 込む&lt;/s_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-08 08:33:50" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Shouldn't 混む lead if "crowded" is going to be 
sense 1?</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-08 10:41:55" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Dunno. 込む is much more common. GG5 and Daijirin don't even have 混む as a headword (Daijr has 「混む」とも書く). OTOH all the Tanaka sentences are for sense 1 and most use 混む.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>込んだ	741227
混んだ	44471
込んで	3562373
混んで	1851957
込みます	198119
混みます	61022</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-09 00:01:45" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Should maybe a different sense lead then? Sense 3 for example?</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-09 14:32:59" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>It think it would look odd leading with anything other than the "crowded" sense. Given that 混む only applies to sense 1, we could split out 混む into a separate entry.
I've dropped 篭む (which isn't in the refs) and 籠む (which is a separate word according to koj). If 混む is split out, we can also drop the restr tags.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>gg5, daij, meikyo
籠む	113
篭む	No matches</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -13,8 +12,0 @@
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
-&lt;keb&gt;籠む&lt;/keb&gt;
-&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;iK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
-&lt;keb&gt;篭む&lt;/keb&gt;
-&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;iK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -33,0 +26,2 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;to be congested&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;to be thronged (with)&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -35,0 +30 @@
+&lt;stagk&gt;込む&lt;/stagk&gt;
@@ -39 +33,0 @@
-&lt;s_inf&gt;usu. 込む&lt;/s_inf&gt;
@@ -40,0 +35 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;to be intricate&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -44 +39,2 @@
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;aux-v;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;suf;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;after -masu stem of verb&lt;/s_inf&gt;
@@ -45,0 +42 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;to go in&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -47,3 +43,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;to remain (seated)&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;to be plunged into (silence)&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;to do thoroughly&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -53,2 +47,3 @@
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;aux-v;&lt;/pos&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;to do intently&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;suf;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;after -masu stem of verb&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;to become (completely)&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -58,2 +53,11 @@
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;aux-v;&lt;/pos&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;to continue in the same state&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;suf;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;after -masu stem of verb&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;to do thoroughly&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;to do sufficiently&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;/sense&gt;
+&lt;sense&gt;
+&lt;stagk&gt;込む&lt;/stagk&gt;
+&lt;pos&gt;&amp;suf;&lt;/pos&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;after -masu stem of verb&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;to remain (silent, seated, etc.)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;to stay ...&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-10 02:48:45" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>It's taking a different approach from the references, but it makes sense. I'll do it and adjust the sentences.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -9,4 +8,0 @@
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
-&lt;keb&gt;混む&lt;/keb&gt;
-&lt;ke_pri&gt;ichi1&lt;/ke_pri&gt;
@@ -23 +18,0 @@
-&lt;s_inf&gt;usu. 混む&lt;/s_inf&gt;
@@ -30 +24,0 @@
-&lt;stagk&gt;込む&lt;/stagk&gt;
@@ -38 +31,0 @@
-&lt;stagk&gt;込む&lt;/stagk&gt;
@@ -46 +38,0 @@
-&lt;stagk&gt;込む&lt;/stagk&gt;
@@ -52 +43,0 @@
-&lt;stagk&gt;込む&lt;/stagk&gt;
@@ -59 +49,0 @@
-&lt;stagk&gt;込む&lt;/stagk&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-10 02:49:39" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -18,0 +19 @@
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2849867"&gt;混む&lt;/xref&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-11 01:18:56" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>道が混む	6969
道が込む	730

"to be crowded" should probably not lead 
here, with 混む split out?
I suggest making it sense 3, 4, 5 or 6</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-11 01:29:59" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I don't think sense 1 should be sandwiched between the suf senses (or moved to the bottom). How about a note?</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -19,0 +20 @@
+&lt;s_inf&gt;usu. 混む&lt;/s_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-11 02:52:34" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>If move it down to sense 3, it still comes 
before the suffixes. I think it's really weird 
to lead with a meaning that's not at all 
common for 込む now that 混む has been split 
out.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2021-07-11 04:21:32" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>With that note I'd leave it where it is. It's the first sense in the JEs (and GG5 only has 込む) and in the Tanaka sentences 40 are using 混む and 8 are using 込む but they ALL mean crowded.</upd_detl>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>



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