<entry id="2045623" stat="R" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2105610</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>鉈</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>なた</reb>
</r_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>ナタ</reb>
<re_nokanji/>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<gloss>sturdy broad-bladed knife, used in woodcraft and hunting</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2006-11-08 00:00:00" stat="A">
<upd_detl>Entry created</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-08-17 15:08:19" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Nils Roland Barth</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Add “hatchet” gloss, which everyone gives, and fix explanation – it’s both a general term and a narrow (Japanese-specific) term.
(Saw on sign, telling an old story.)</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>GG5 daijr koj ja:WP
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/鉈</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -12,1 +12,3 @@
-<gloss>wide blade knife (similar to a machete but not so large)</gloss>
+<gloss>(Japanese) hatchet</gloss>
+<gloss>(Japanese) machete</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="expl">both general term for large blades (other than specialized ones such as axes, swords, etc.), and specifically for traditional Japanese-style wide blade knife, similar to a small machete</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-08-24 10:27:57" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Trimming greatly. I don't like "machete" here, and Google images shows a very wide range. Daijirin's gloss is pretty general, so I have followed it.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Daijr, GG5, etc.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -12,3 +12,2 @@
-<gloss>(Japanese) hatchet</gloss>
-<gloss>(Japanese) machete</gloss>
-<gloss g_type="expl">both general term for large blades (other than specialized ones such as axes, swords, etc.), and specifically for traditional Japanese-style wide blade knife, similar to a small machete</gloss>
+<gloss>hatchet</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="expl">traditional Japanese edged tool with short handle and wide blade</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-11-27 14:10:01" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think uk.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Saw it subtitled like this on a news show.
Also here:
https://mainichi.jp/articles/20181127/k00/
00e/040/246000c
"凶器か 現場から血の付いたナタ発見"
g ng
鉈 66379
ナタ 100749</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -9,0 +10,4 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ナタ</reb>
+<re_nokanji/>
+</r_ele>
@@ -11,0 +16 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-11-27 22:33:13" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Kanji use appears to be slightly more common.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>鉈を持って 975
ナタを持って 689
なたを持って 115
鉈を振り 519
ナタを振り 352
なたを振り 91</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-11-28 00:02:58" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I agree.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>大なた 4632
おおなた 489
大鉈 7545</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -16 +15,0 @@
-<misc>&uk;</misc></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-11-28 00:06:01" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>(for the record)</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>大ナタ 6682</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-11-28 03:26:18" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>Google images for "hatchet" and "鉈" are really quite different (while 手斧 is a good match for "hatchet"). Is "hatchet" really the best
gloss, even if happens to be in the other dictionaries? Can we at least call it "nata hatchet" or "nata machete"? (6k, 9k google results)</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-12-06 03:25:13" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think this works, with the expl. Also I think having an [expl] looks weird when the gloss is only "hatchet" - I get the impression that
it's the preceding gloss e.g. "hatchet" that's being explained, not the Japanese word.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -16 +16 @@
-<gloss>hatchet</gloss>
+<gloss>nata hatchet</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-12-06 21:44:02" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-07-28 10:49:59" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_detl>The term "hatchet" refers, exclusively, to a type of light axe.
A nata is not, in any way, shape, or form, an axe.
As is evident, when you look at any Japanese source, it is a knife.
(though it appears to generally be considered to be an apparently separate category, from 刀, in the Japanese mind/language ...except for 剣鉈, which are undeniably knives)</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%89%88
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%E9%89%88&t=palemoon&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -16,2 +16,2 @@
-<gloss>nata hatchet</gloss>
-<gloss g_type="expl">traditional Japanese edged tool with short handle and wide blade</gloss>
+<gloss>A type of knife for use in woodcraft and hunting</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="expl">Has a broad sturdy blade, typically set at a bit of an inward angle</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-07-29 06:42:51" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>From images the closest English term I can think of is "cleaver". Not sure the blade angle
needs to be mentioned.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -16,2 +16 @@
-<gloss>A type of knife for use in woodcraft and hunting</gloss>
-<gloss g_type="expl">Has a broad sturdy blade, typically set at a bit of an inward angle</gloss>
+<gloss>type of cleaver used in woodcraft and hunting</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-07-29 13:24:03" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_detl>A cleaver is a butcher/kitchen knife.
It has a completely different purpose and also possess very different blades, to a nata. A lot broader blade (a lot broader than the handle, notably) and though they are relatively thick and sturdy, they are significantly less so, than a nata. A lot of typical uses of a nata (especially splitting wood), would utterly ruin any cleaver.
The closest thing to a nata, would be a machete or a hunting knife. (and ken'nata do look like the latter, as well as being used as such, in addition to its other uses)
It is neither, however, so it would be wrong to call it such.
The angle is notable (though not universal/required), but I guess it's not really necessary to mention.
Also the blade is often of uniform breadth (basically a rectangle) aside from ken'nata (剣鉈), which have a more typical knife shape as well as usually being straight, but the same applies to that, so no need to mention it either, I suppose.
Speaking of which: Adding an entry for 剣鉈 may be a good idea.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -16 +16 @@
-<gloss>type of cleaver used in woodcraft and hunting</gloss>
+<gloss>type of sturdy broad bladed knife, used in woodcraft and hunting.</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-07-30 05:37:38" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>To me, the distinctive feature of a なた is the cleaver-like rectangular blade. (When I showed a picture several nata to my wife and asked her what she'd call them, she said "a cleaver".)</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -16 +16 @@
-<gloss>type of sturdy broad bladed knife, used in woodcraft and hunting.</gloss>
+<gloss>sturdy rectangular-bladed knife, used in woodcraft and hunting</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-07-30 06:55:03" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_detl>Whilst I agree that the most "typical"/"normal" なた is superficially somewhat similar to a cleaver (though not nearly as broad), a fundamental defining characteristic of a cleaver is still that it is a butcher/kitchen knife. (and again, the many significant differences I mentioned before)
There are many knives that a layman wouldn't be able to tell apart, just to look at them, that are nevertheless in very distinct and different categories. (the same applies to, e.g., axes)
...and many なた do not have that distinctive rectangular shape, as is clear from the references I mention. Note that 剣鉈 and 鉈鎌 are types of 鉈.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://kitanodaichihamidorinariki.naturum.ne.jp/c20207447.html
http://www.hounen.co.jp/nata.htm
https://toyokuni.net/aa_images/kei/2007/shikoku_turukirinata/turukirinata.jpg
https://store.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/honmamon/4580149743151.html</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-07-30 11:43:38" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_detl>These are some other rectangular bladed knives, that are not and could not be used as cleavers. (in much the same way, that cleavers could not be used as なた)</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakiri_b%C5%8Dch%C5%8D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuba_b%C5%8Dch%C5%8D</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -16 +16 @@
-<gloss>sturdy rectangular-bladed knife, used in woodcraft and hunting</gloss>
+<gloss>sturdy broad-bladed knife, used in woodcraft and hunting</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-07-31 03:19:55" stat="R">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>This is a fork.</upd_detl>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>