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<entry id="1984758" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2568040</ent_seq>
<r_ele>
<reb>せられる</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&aux-v;</pos>
<pos>&v1;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="2568000">られる・4</xref>
<xref type="see" seq="2568020">せる・3</xref>
<misc>&hon;</misc>
<s_inf>used for others' actions</s_inf>
<gloss>to do</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2010-08-06 08:54:47" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>unsure about the PoS of sense 1. would be a standalone verb with respect to する, but an auxiliary with respect to things like 愛する???</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>koj, daij, meikyo</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-08-10 22:07:26" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I wouldn't want it to be a grammar lesson, but should it mention that sense 1 is from サ変動詞 and sense 2 from せる?
Also, couldn't it just have one sense in English, and a not mentioning サ変動詞/せる?</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-08-11 03:47:06" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>i'm open to any changes</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-08-14 01:49:54" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Let it stand.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-06-15 02:33:48" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think these notes need to be expanded on because I don't get the difference between sense 1 and 2 here (esp. as they have the same 
tags).
I don't see the case for "extreme honorific" for sense 2 in daijs. (which unfortunately make the two senses even more confusingly 
similar)</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -10 +10 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2567990"&gt;られる・4&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2568000"&gt;られる・4&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -12 +12,2 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;verb used as an honorific for others' actions&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;verb used as an honorific for others' actions&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;to do&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -16,0 +18 @@
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2568020"&gt;せる・3&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -18 +20,2 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;auxiliary verb used as an extreme honorific for others' actions&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;auxiliary verb used as an honorific for others' actions&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;to do&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-06-20 06:07:03" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Aren't both senses ONLY aux verbs? I suggest going back to my 2010 thought bubble and just having one sense.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>せられる	1551372
がせられる	185
をせられる	4036
とせられる	1673
はせられる	616</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -8,8 +7,0 @@
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;v1;&lt;/pos&gt;
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;aux-v;&lt;/pos&gt;
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2568000"&gt;られる・4&lt;/xref&gt;
-&lt;misc&gt;&amp;hon;&lt;/misc&gt;
-&lt;s_inf&gt;verb used as an honorific for others' actions&lt;/s_inf&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;to do&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;/sense&gt;
-&lt;sense&gt;
@@ -17,0 +10 @@
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2568000"&gt;られる・4&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -20 +13 @@
-&lt;s_inf&gt;auxiliary verb used as an honorific for others' actions&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;used for others' actions&lt;/s_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-07-24 05:27:20" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>All has been quiet. I'll close it.</upd_detl>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>



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