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<entry id="1984758" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2568040</ent_seq>
<r_ele>
<reb>せられる</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&aux-v;</pos>
<pos>&v1;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="2568000">られる・4</xref>
<xref type="see" seq="2568020">せる・3</xref>
<misc>&hon;</misc>
<s_inf>used for others' actions</s_inf>
<gloss>to do</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2010-08-06 08:54:47" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>unsure about the PoS of sense 1. would be a standalone verb with respect to する, but an auxiliary with respect to things like 愛する???</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>koj, daij, meikyo</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-08-10 22:07:26" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I wouldn't want it to be a grammar lesson, but should it mention that sense 1 is from サ変動詞 and sense 2 from せる?
Also, couldn't it just have one sense in English, and a not mentioning サ変動詞/せる?</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-08-11 03:47:06" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>i'm open to any changes</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2010-08-14 01:49:54" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Let it stand.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-06-15 02:33:48" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think these notes need to be expanded on because I don't get the difference between sense 1 and 2 here (esp. as they have the same
tags).
I don't see the case for "extreme honorific" for sense 2 in daijs. (which unfortunately make the two senses even more confusingly
similar)</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -10 +10 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2567990">られる・4</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2568000">られる・4</xref>
@@ -12 +12,2 @@
-<gloss>verb used as an honorific for others' actions</gloss>
+<s_inf>verb used as an honorific for others' actions</s_inf>
+<gloss>to do</gloss>
@@ -16,0 +18 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2568020">せる・3</xref>
@@ -18 +20,2 @@
-<gloss>auxiliary verb used as an extreme honorific for others' actions</gloss>
+<s_inf>auxiliary verb used as an honorific for others' actions</s_inf>
+<gloss>to do</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-06-20 06:07:03" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Aren't both senses ONLY aux verbs? I suggest going back to my 2010 thought bubble and just having one sense.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>せられる 1551372
がせられる 185
をせられる 4036
とせられる 1673
はせられる 616</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -8,8 +7,0 @@
-<pos>&v1;</pos>
-<pos>&aux-v;</pos>
-<xref type="see" seq="2568000">られる・4</xref>
-<misc>&hon;</misc>
-<s_inf>verb used as an honorific for others' actions</s_inf>
-<gloss>to do</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
@@ -17,0 +10 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2568000">られる・4</xref>
@@ -20 +13 @@
-<s_inf>auxiliary verb used as an honorific for others' actions</s_inf>
+<s_inf>used for others' actions</s_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-07-24 05:27:20" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>All has been quiet. I'll close it.</upd_detl>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>