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jmdict 2841139 Active (id: 2055460)
<entry id="2055460" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2841139</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>これに懲りずに</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>これにこりずに</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&exp;</pos>
<s_inf>often 〜また...</s_inf>
<gloss>without being discouraged by this (experience)</gloss>
<gloss>without letting this put (you) off</gloss>
<gloss>without being held back by this</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2019-08-09 18:19:49" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_refs>https://eikaiwa.dmm.com/uknow/questions/21561/</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-08-09 18:32:21" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_refs>https://ejje.weblio.jp/sentence/content/%22%E6%87%B2%E3%82%8A%E3%81%9A%E3%81%AB%22</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-08-14 11:51:45" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Usually the ...ずに forms are not that common, but this one is. Probably a useful expression.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>これに懲りずに	53047
懲りずに	475315
懲りる	12939
懲りない	229979</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +12,2 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;don't feel discouraged by your experience (and try/visit again)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;don't feel discouraged (by your experience)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;don't let this put you off&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-08-15 00:49:45" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I really don't think this should be an entry. It's a regular use of 懲りる and entirely literal in meaning.
Also, it's not a complete sentence. I would translate it as "Without being discouraged by this" or "Without letting this discourage you/him/her". Something always follows it.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-08-15 04:26:57" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_detl>I agree that it is a half sentence, however it is the half that is never changed. The "kore ni" part in particular. It was in context where I would have expected "kyou no koto ni ..." or similar but it was the word "kore ni" which did not make too much sense. So it is a set phrase of aorts.

I understand it's used by businesses to apologize to the customer, to say that today's experience was atypical, we'll do better next time.

In addition, it is almost always followed by "mata" which was erased from the translation. I think keeping it would help.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-08-20 11:37:47" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I tried to bring that out in a second gloss.
I still think it's worth keeping.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>これに懲りずに	53047
これにこりずに	3445
これに懲りずにまた	18768
これにこりずにまた	1220
GG5 and Tanaka examples (both with また following.)</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+&lt;s_inf&gt;often 〜また...&lt;/s_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-01-04 11:01:50" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_detl>Something wen't wrong, there are two active entries with the same id: see https://www.edrdg.org/jmdictdb/cgi-bin/entr.py?svc=jmdict&amp;sid=&amp;q=2841139.1</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-01-04 13:52:55" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Sorry, that was my fault for reopening a rejected entry when this one was still active. I'll copy the amendments over to here and delete the other one.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -13,2 +13,3 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;don't feel discouraged (by your experience)&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;don't let this put you off&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;without being discouraged by this (experience)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;without letting this put (you) off&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;without being held back by this&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>



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