daijs

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2137230">おっきい</xref>

The threshold is <3%.

@@ -6 +5,0 @@
-<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>

we already have a lot of [uk] entries where the only kanji form is tagged [rK]
and it does seem useful to me to say to users that this is almost always written in kana only

Hide it. [rk] is for uncommon readings which are in kokugos.

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf>

I don't think [rk] should be applied so willy-nilly.

@@ -12 +11,0 @@
-<re_inf>&rk;</re_inf>

Could be hidden.

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーーー─┬─────┬───────╮
│ にほんてき　 │ 542 │ 96.3% │
│ にっぽんてき │  21 │  3.7% │
╰─ーーーーーー─┴─────┴───────╯

https://de.youglish.com/pronounce/日本的/japanese
After 19 examples being　にほんてき the 20th was にっぽんてき

It's not in refs, but it makes sense to have here I guess. I'd suggest maybe putting [rk]

Furigana.info isn't representative here since it has only one example for each version

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<re_inf>&rk;</re_inf>

@@ -8,0 +9,3 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>にっぽんてき</reb>

Personally I'm not a fan of using [sk] for readings that aren't also used as surface forms. I wouldn't go as far as to say they're pointless; it's totally possible for people to search the database for readings, for example. I agree it's probably a very marginal use-case. But I think they're also mostly harmless.

At any rate, it's not unprecedented (see entries for 中国, 三日月, 占い者, etc). We'd like to have these sorts of policy discussion on github (https://github.com/JMdictProject/JMdictIssues/discussions) or the mailing list (https://groups.google.com/g/edict-jmdict). Feel free to raise the topic in those places.

>It's 99% pointless to hide readings that aren't used as surface forms

I totally get that, but e.g. I'm someone that often searches for words in kana, not with their respective kanji. にっぽん is a valid way of reading にほん. So even if it's just that tiny tiny 1%, isn't this also what hidden forms are for? They don't bother anyone. But then again, with that approach it's very difficult to draw a line, it would be very arbitrary.

>This has to my memory been brought up several times but the only instance I can find is Stephen Kraus on 碁会所

I remember that but about [rk], which I try to remember now but still sometimes misconstrue. I can't recall seeing that for [sk] (apart from the example you just gave), but maybe that was before I started contributing


In any case I don't plan to fight tooth and nail for this [sk] form, I just wish to know clear grounds if that really doesn't fall under how it can or should be used.

This has to my memory been brought up several times but the only instance I can find is Stephen Kraus on 碁会所:
"I'm not sure if it makes sense to use [sk] for readings that aren't also used as surface forms."

sk and sK are essentially for hiding "surface forms" that people might come across written out. It's 99% pointless to hide readings that aren't used as surface forms.

Why

I think it's OK. Not sure about the D-glucose, but it's the IUPAC term.

LSD: ブドウ糖 【ぶどうとう】 (n) dextrose; (n*) glucose; (n) grape sugar
Dextrose is the commercial name for the naturally occurring sugar D-glucose

If [chem] is applied the "grape sugar" gloss probably shouldn't lead as it isn't a chemical term

Maybe like this? Or is all of this too specific?

@@ -19,0 +20,2 @@
+<gloss>dextrose</gloss>
+<gloss>glucose (usu. D-glucose)</gloss>
@@ -21,2 +22,0 @@
-<gloss>glucose</gloss>
-<gloss>dextrose</gloss>

JE/EJs tend to have [化] tag (GG5, LuminousEJ, OlexEJ, DailyConciseJE), I think it'd make sense here

Prog: Grape sugar; d-glucose

Chemistry tag? And should we note that glucose usually refers to d-glucose? Since dextrose is derived from dexter(right) as well

@@ -18,0 +19 @@
+<field>&chem;</field>

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーー─┬─────────┬───────╮
│ ブドウ糖　 │ 225,864 │ 72.8% │
│ ぶどう糖　 │  79,315 │ 25.6% │
│ 葡萄糖　　 │   4,838 │  1.6% │ - rK (kokugos)
│ ブドウとう │      27 │  0.0% │ - dropping restrictions
│ ぶどうとう │     121 │  0.0% │
╰─ーーーーー─┴─────────┴───────╯

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -14,4 +14,0 @@
-<reb>ブドウとう</reb>
-<re_restr>ブドウ糖</re_restr>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
@@ -19,2 +15,0 @@
-<re_restr>ぶどう糖</re_restr>
-<re_restr>葡萄糖</re_restr>

よじ登る　 42,081  87.0% 
よじ上る　    967   2.0% -sK
攀じ登る　  1,799   3.7% 
攀じ上る　     29   0.1% 
よじ昇る　     89   0.2% 
よじのぼる  3,390   7.0%

@@ -6,4 +5,0 @@
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>よじ上る</keb>
-<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -17,0 +14,4 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>よじ上る</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーー─┬────────┬───────╮
│ よじ登っ　 │ 86,938 │ 87.2% │
│ よじ上っ　 │  2,431 │  2.4% │ move up
│ 攀じ登っ　 │  1,606 │  1.6% │ add rK
│ よじ昇っ　 │    184 │  0.2% │ add
│ 攀じ上っ　 │      0 │  0.0% │ i would hide this
│ よじのぼっ │  8,499 │  8.5% │
╰─ーーーーー─┴────────┴───────╯

@@ -8 +8,2 @@
-<keb>攀じ登る</keb>
+<keb>よじ上る</keb>
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -11 +12 @@
-<keb>よじ上る</keb>
+<keb>攀じ登る</keb>
@@ -16,0 +18,4 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>よじ昇る</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>

JEs are 4(Wisdom, Luminous, Prog, GG5) vs 2(Olex, Chuujiten) on lineup vs line-up

Sankoku, GendaiSK, etc. : [vs,vt]
Sankoku also tags [col] here

めんどおし in Smk and Oukoku

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーー─┬───────┬───────╮
│ 面通し │ 4.946 │ 86.6% │
│ 面通　 │   766 │ 13.4% │Smk, Oukoko; add
╰─ーーー─┴───────┴───────╯

Wisdom, Olex, Luminous, Prog, Chuujiten: (police) lineup/line-up; identification parade 

GG5: 〔警察の〕 an identification parade; a choice of faces; a lineup

@@ -6,0 +7,3 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>面通</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -8,0 +12,3 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>めんどおし</reb>
@@ -13 +19,5 @@
-<gloss>(police) line-up</gloss>
+<pos>&vt;</pos>
+<misc>&col;</misc>
+<gloss>(police) lineup</gloss>
+<gloss>identification parade</gloss>
+<gloss>choice of faces</gloss>

sankoku:
①まっかになる。
②血だらけになる。

朱に染まる空 195 

massif:
https://massif.la/ja/search?q=朱に染まる
頬は朱に染まり、目は潤んでいる。
空は朱に染まり、窓から入る光が辺りを赤く照らしている。
羞恥からか、頬は朱に染まっている。

google pics

@@ -14,0 +15,5 @@
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<pos>&v5r;</pos>
+<gloss>to turn red</gloss>

kojien has it

@@ -13,0 +13,1 @@
+<gloss>to welter in blood</gloss>

gg5

useful ?

@@ -13,1 +13,1 @@
-<gloss>to welter in blood</gloss>
+<gloss>to be covered in blood</gloss>

Added additional PoS via batch update.Added additional PoS via batch update.
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -12,0 +12,1 @@
+<pos>&v5r;</pos>

小っちゃい    31,393   3.0% 
ちっちゃい 1,029,128  97.0%

@@ -14,2 +14,2 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1347780">小っちゃい</xref>
-<xref type="see" seq="1347780">小っちゃい</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1347780">ちっちゃい</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1347780">ちっちゃい</xref>

@@ -15,0 +16 @@
+<misc>&col;</misc>

I guess so.

ペイロニー病	220	36.1%
ペロニー病	389	63.9%
ペーロニー病	0	0.0%

@@ -3,0 +4,3 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>ペロニー病</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -8 +11,2 @@
-<keb>ペロニー病</keb>
+<keb>ペーロニー病</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -10,7 +13,0 @@
-<k_ele>
-<keb>ペーロニー病</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ペイロニーびょう</reb>
-<re_restr>ペイロニー病</re_restr>
-</r_ele>
@@ -22,2 +19,2 @@
-<reb>ペーロニーびょう</reb>
-<re_restr>ペーロニー病</re_restr>
+<reb>ペイロニーびょう</reb>
+<re_restr>ペイロニー病</re_restr>

@@ -26,0 +27 @@
+<field>&med;</field>

Entry created

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーーー─┬────────┬───────╮
│ 万人受け　　 │ 83,394 │ 96.9% │
│ 万人うけ　　 │  2,647 │  3.1% │ - sK
│ ばんにんうけ │     20 │  0.0% │
╰─ーーーーーー─┴────────┴───────╯

@@ -8,0 +9 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>

daijs: "だれからも好評を得られること。広く人気があること。「万人受けをねらった新商品」 "
G n-grams:
万人うけ	2647

I think we need to gloss this as a noun.

@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>万人うけ</keb>
@@ -11,0 +15 @@
+<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -13,3 +17,3 @@
-<gloss>(being) universally acceptable</gloss>
-<gloss>suitable for all</gloss>
-<gloss>popular with many people</gloss>
+<gloss>being universally acceptable</gloss>
+<gloss>being suitable for all</gloss>
+<gloss>being popular with many people</gloss>

GG5

@@ -5,1 +5,1 @@
-<keb>万人受けする</keb>
+<keb>万人受け</keb>
@@ -8,1 +8,1 @@
-<reb>ばんにんうけする</reb>
+<reb>ばんにんうけ</reb>
@@ -12,2 +12,4 @@
-<gloss>one-size-fits-all</gloss>
-<gloss>popular with various people</gloss>
+<pos>&vs;</pos>
+<gloss>(being) universally acceptable</gloss>
+<gloss>suitable for all</gloss>
+<gloss>popular with many people</gloss>

google 3,610,000 hits

Hardly likely to be searched for.

Pointless to include as sk

@@ -13,4 +12,0 @@
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>にっぽんりゅう</reb>
-<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf>

にほん流	0	
にっぽん流	0

Best as search-only.

@@ -5,0 +6,4 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>ニッポン流</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -11,0 +16 @@
+<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf>

日本流	53467	99.7%
ニッポン流	182	0.3%

@@ -8,0 +9,3 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>にっぽんりゅう</reb>

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーー─┬─────────┬───────╮
│ 右旋糖　 │     108 │  0.0% │Also in OlexEJ
│ ブドウ糖 │ 225.864 │100.0% │
╰─ーーーー─┴─────────┴───────╯
OlexEJ and LuminousEJ have ブドウ糖 for dextrose

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="1499270">ブドウ糖</xref>
@@ -12,0 +14 @@
+<misc>&rare;</misc>

研究社　新和英大辞典　第５版

日本大百科全書; 英辞郎１０３; 研究社 新和英大辞典 第５版

敷地内	1135695	  
敷地内に	541621	  
敷地内の	144251

Not exactly a noun.

eij
敷地内	1135800

koj, daij, nikk

大猩々	120	0.0%
大猩猩	92	0.0%
ゴリラ	544004	100.0%

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーー─┬───────┬───────╮
│ 面割り │   588 │  9.9% │
│ 面割　 │   412 │  6.9% │Nikk, Daijs, Daijr ; add
│ 面通し │ 4.946 │ 83.2% │We have this; Pretty much synonymous according to kokugos
╰─ーーー─┴───────┴───────╯

Sankoku tags [col]

All kokugos refer to 面通し
Sankoku for 面通し:〘警察〙〔俗〕犯人と思われる者を、事件の関係者に見せてたしかめること。首実検。面割り。めんどおし。

Wisdom glosses 面通し as "identification parade" and "(police) lineup", maybe also worth having?

I think suspect identification may work a bit better for the first gloss, but it'd also be fine without.

Xref to 面通し appropriate here? Or not needed?

@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>面割</keb>
@@ -12 +15,4 @@
-<gloss>(criminal) identification</gloss>
+<misc>&col;</misc>
+<gloss>(criminal) identification (by witnesses)</gloss>
+<gloss>identification parade</gloss>
+<gloss>(police) lineup</gloss>

研究社　新和英大辞典　第５版

アクセスポイント koj, daij
通知払い koj, daij ← 謎
アプリケーションプログラム daij
アメリカンプラン daij

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/AP

ルミナス

daij

キンダーガーテン	3439	54.0%
キンダーガーデン	2924	46.0%

医学英和辞典

２５万語医学用語大辞典 英和／和英

OK

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーー─┬───────┬───────╮
│ 犯罪容疑者 │ 3.248 │100.0% │GG5, Luminous, Prog
╰─ーーーーー─┴───────┴───────╯

A bit A+B, but maybe worth having?

I think this is OK.

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーー─┬───────────┬───────╮
│ 成らぬ │    31.256 │  0.6% │Negligible enough to not have? Or maybe just [sK] but that could be confusing
│ ならぬ │ 2.711.492 │ 51.9% │
│ ならん │ 2.486.657 │ 47.6% │Can't really [sk] this
╰─ーーー─┴───────────┴───────╯
Sankoku has〔古風〕for the second sense
Meikyo also for the first (やや古い言い方。)

The problem is now that sense 1 and sense 2 are not the same ならぬ
Sense one is copular なり + ぬ
Sense two is 成る + ぬ

Sankoku has this sense as well (it has separate entries for the なり and なる based senses):
〔文〕成しとげられない。

Meikyo a.o. have [exp] for the ならない sense, no indication of adj-pn unlike with the first sense

Perhaps something like this?
The refs have mostly the ならない sense for ならん, but I doubt it's exclusively used for it. I think we could just have ならん as a surface form here?
Or am I overlooking something?
The other option would be an etymological split into sense 1 and sense 2+3

Also, do we ever do [form,dated]?

@@ -10,0 +11 @@
+<s_inf>from copular なり</s_inf>
@@ -16 +17,11 @@
-<pos>&adj-pn;</pos>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<pos>&adj-f;</pos>
+<misc>&form;</misc>
+<s_inf>from 成る</s_inf>
+<gloss>beyond one's power</gloss>
+<gloss>unachievable</gloss>
+<gloss>impossible</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<pos>&adj-f;</pos>
@@ -18 +29,2 @@
-<misc>&form;</misc>
+<misc>&dated;</misc>
+<s_inf>from 成る</s_inf>

Daijisen:
［連語］《「ぬ」は打消しの助動詞》「ならない」に同じ。「ならん」の形でも用いる。「私語を交わしては—◦ぬ」「どうにかせねば—◦ぬ」
［連語］《「ぬ」は打消しの助動詞「ず」の連体形》…でない。「一方 (ひとかた) —ご指導」「ただ—事態」

Maybe something like this? Not sure what to do with ならん.

@@ -9 +9,12 @@
-<gloss>equiv. of de nai</gloss>
+<xref type="see" seq="2823760">でない</xref>
+<misc>&form;</misc>
+<gloss>is not</gloss>
+<gloss>am not</gloss>
+<gloss>are not</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&adj-pn;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="2083990">ならない・2</xref>
+<misc>&form;</misc>
+<gloss>must not ...</gloss>
+<gloss>should not ...</gloss>

I think making them visible in the ならない entry doesn't work because 1. Yes PoS issues, and 2. ならない　isn't [文] and/or [古風] like ならぬ is.
The kokugos tend to have ならぬ in its own respective entry. Maybe ならぬ(and ならん) could be split out from ならない? It'd basically be a duplicate entry with an extra sense. But I'm not sure

ならない	41782162
ならぬ	2711492
ならん	2486657

ならぬ and ならん are currently hidden forms in the ならない entry. Perhaps ならぬ should be made visible? The POS may be an issue.

記録保持者	51272 - GG5, RP, Goi Taikei
レコード保持者	436 - RP
世界記録保持者	18532 - current entry, GG5

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2865043">記録保持者</xref>

研究社リーダーズ＋プラスＶ２; 研究社 リーダーズ英和辞典 第３版

"gendai reikai kokugo jiten" has an entry for this.

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーーーー─┬─────╮
│ レコード破り　 │ 100 │
│ レコード破　　 │   0 │
│ レコードやぶり │   0 │
╰─ーーーーーーー─┴─────╯

@@ -4,0 +5,3 @@
+<keb>レコード破り</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
@@ -5,0 +9 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -10,0 +15 @@
+<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
@@ -11,0 +17 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2610730">記録破り</xref>

精選版　日本国語大辞典; 広辞苑 第六版

Dupe

精選版　日本国語大辞典; 広辞苑 第六版

Xref got lost.

@@ -12,0 +13 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="1499270">ブドウ糖</xref>

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーーーー─┬─────┬───────╮
│ デキストロース │ 505 │ 79.7% │GG5
│ デキストローズ │ 129 │ 20.3% │not in refs; [sk]
╰─ーーーーーーー─┴─────┴───────╯

Also used on Jawiki pages, and other chemistry related pages turn up when searching for it

GG5: 【化】 〔D-グルコース〕 dextrose.

Rare compared to ブドウ糖, adding xref