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A 2024-10-29 06:25:24 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2024-10-22 19:02:35 parfait8
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sankoku |
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+<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf> |
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A 2021-12-02 09:25:46 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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算盤 42231
十露盤 1960
珠盤 21
そろばん 331078
ソロバン 56985 |
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A 2021-08-20 04:36:44 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2021-08-20 04:06:18 Opencooper
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saito; meikyo |
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cf. 「読み書きそろばん」. |
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+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
+<gloss>calculation (esp. of profit and loss)</gloss>
+<gloss>reckoning</gloss> |
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A 2021-07-07 01:21:35 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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http://www.shuzan.jp/gakushu/history/03.html
古代のそろばん
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土砂そろばん(Dust Abacus)
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線そろばん（Line Abacus) |
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I was considering that too but I think "そろばん" can also be used to Western abaci. |
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A* 2021-07-06 07:10:36 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I think we should. Also I wonder about adding "Japanese" to the abacus gloss; the JEs
don't, but they are different things. |
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+<gloss>soroban</gloss> |
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A* 2021-07-06 04:03:18 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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jpwiki has one article for そろばん, one for アバカス. jpwiki suggests "soroban;Japanese abacus" are used in English.
enwiki also has two articles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soroban
"The soroban (算盤, そろばん, counting tray) is an abacus developed in Japan. It is derived from the ancient Chinese suanpan,
imported to Japan in the 14th century."
google image results (in Japanese) for the two are very different.
the kokugos however don't have アバカス entries, except daijs, which only says そろばん.
アバカス 5499
should we add "soroban" as a second gloss to this entry, maybe? |
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A 2014-09-10 00:46:45 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Yes, Daijs. |
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I see from Googling it that 珠盤 also is being used for small jewelled flat objects, which fits the kanji. |
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A* 2014-09-09 22:56:51 Curtis Naito <...address hidden...>
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http://kotobank.jp/word/算盤?dic=daijisen&oid=07654000 |
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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>珠盤</keb> |
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A 2013-09-17 21:08:19 Paul Upchurch <...address hidden...>
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A* 2013-09-17 11:58:54 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Unidic/ngrams |
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Strongly "uk" (esp. in hiragana.) |
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+<r_ele>
+<reb>ソロバン</reb>
+<re_nokanji/>
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+<misc>&uk;</misc> |