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A 2024-10-08 23:12:44 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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Putting ニセモノ first will cause it to appear before 偽物【にせもの】 on e.g. jisho.org and also my own jmdict distro, even though ニセモノ is far less common.
See how the word "イカリソウ" is displayed on jisho.org for example.
I can't think of any instances where we've placed a [nokanji] form first in a situation like this. |
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A* 2024-10-08 23:02:09 Marcus Richert
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It's not really what we discussed in the github thread, but doesn't it make sense to put ニセモノ first among the kana considering it's the most common when written in kana? There's no uk tag, so there's no indication that it's more common than the kanji. |
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A 2024-10-08 20:41:00 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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Putting the priority tags back. |
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@@ -26,0 +27,3 @@
+<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
+<re_pri>news1</re_pri>
+<re_pri>nf24</re_pri> |
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A 2024-10-08 20:39:24 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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https://github.com/JMdictProject/JMdictIssues/issues/113 |
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This isn't a situation where we'd want to lead with the [nokanji] form.
Not sure that にせもん needs to be visible. |
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@@ -26,2 +26 @@
-<reb>ニセモノ</reb>
-<re_nokanji/>
+<reb>にせもの</reb>
@@ -30 +29,2 @@
-<reb>にせもの</reb>
+<reb>ぎぶつ</reb>
+<re_restr>偽物</re_restr>
@@ -37,2 +37 @@
-<reb>ぎぶつ</reb>
-<re_restr>偽物</re_restr>
+<reb>にせもん</reb>
@@ -41 +40,2 @@
-<reb>にせもん</reb>
+<reb>ニセモノ</reb>
+<re_nokanji/> |
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A 2024-10-08 20:17:22 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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(show/hide 9 older log entries)
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A* 2024-10-07 02:49:35 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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偽物 509194 64.9%
贋物 24408 3.1%
ニセ物 10904 1.4%
にせ物 3933 0.5%
ニセモノ 232576 29.6%
ニセモン 3739 0.5% |
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@@ -14,0 +15 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -17,0 +19,5 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>偽もの</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -20,7 +26,2 @@
-<reb>にせもの</reb>
-<re_restr>偽物</re_restr>
-<re_restr>贋物</re_restr>
-<re_restr>にせ物</re_restr>
-<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
-<re_pri>news1</re_pri>
-<re_pri>nf24</re_pri>
+<reb>ニセモノ</reb>
+<re_nokanji/>
@@ -29,4 +30 @@
-<reb>にせもん</reb>
-<re_restr>偽物</re_restr>
-<re_restr>贋物</re_restr>
-<re_restr>にせ物</re_restr>
+<reb>にせもの</reb>
@@ -43,14 +41 @@
-<reb>ニセもの</reb>
-<re_restr>ニセ物</re_restr>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ニセもん</reb>
-<re_restr>ニセ物</re_restr>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ニセモノ</reb>
-<re_nokanji/>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ニセモン</reb>
-<re_nokanji/>
+<reb>にせもん</reb> |
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A 2019-04-29 02:06:18 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2019-04-28 18:42:21 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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I don't think the adj-no does much here. |
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@@ -60 +59,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos> |
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A 2016-04-26 00:31:01 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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pretty ugly... |
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A* 2016-04-25 00:23:18 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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G n-grams:
偽物 509194
贋物 24408
ニセ物 10904
にせ物 3933
にせもの 55596
ニセもの 4100
にせもん 3751
ニセもん 811
ニセモノ 232576
ニセモン 3739 |
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A few more variants out there. WWW images confirm that ニセモノ/ニセモン is 偽物, not 偽者. |
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@@ -28,0 +29,6 @@
+<reb>にせもん</reb>
+<re_restr>偽物</re_restr>
+<re_restr>贋物</re_restr>
+<re_restr>にせ物</re_restr>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
@@ -39,0 +46,12 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ニセもん</reb>
+<re_restr>ニセ物</re_restr>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ニセモノ</reb>
+<re_nokanji/>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ニセモン</reb>
+<re_nokanji/>
+</r_ele> |
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A 2015-03-03 07:18:35 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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A* 2015-02-03 22:18:40 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Daijr (如何様物 entry), n-grams |
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@@ -15,0 +16,3 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>にせ物</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -19,0 +23 @@
+<re_restr>にせ物</re_restr>
@@ -24,0 +29,4 @@
+<reb>がんぶつ</reb>
+<re_restr>贋物</re_restr>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
@@ -27,4 +34,0 @@
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>がんぶつ</reb>
-<re_restr>贋物</re_restr> |
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A 2013-04-17 06:15:33 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Yes, the reverse less-common->more-common one is better. |
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A* 2013-04-17 03:37:03 Marcus Richert
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doesn't seem like the redir is very helpful |
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@@ -39,1 +39,0 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1224580">偽造</xref> |