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A 2024-04-28 22:27:06 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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かっこつける is almost as common as カッコつける. I think we should use hiragana for the x-ref. |
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@@ -24 +24 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2861104">カッコつける</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2861104">かっこつける</xref> |
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A 2024-04-27 02:41:30 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーーーー─┬───────┬───────╮
│ 格好つける │ 5,285 │ 78.7% │
│ 格好付ける │ 1,033 │ 15.4% │
│ 恰好つける │ 177 │ 2.6% │
│ 恰好付ける │ 51 │ 0.8% │
│ かっこうつける │ 171 │ 2.5% │
╰─ーーーーーーー─┴───────┴───────╯ |
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Not [uk] anymore |
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@@ -25 +24,0 @@
-<misc>&uk;</misc> |
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A 2024-04-27 02:36:34 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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@@ -16,4 +15,0 @@
-<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>かっこ付ける</keb> |
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A 2024-04-27 02:10:20 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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@@ -27,0 +28 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2861104">カッコつける</xref> |
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A 2024-04-27 02:10:01 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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OK, splitting. |
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-<r_ele>
-<reb>カッコつける</reb>
-<re_nokanji/>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>かっこつける</reb>
-<re_nokanji/>
-</r_ele> |
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A* 2024-04-27 01:16:28 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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I think this is an odd use of [nokanji]. I'd split out かっこつける into a separate entry. |
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A 2024-04-25 05:41:09 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I confess that when I saw the n-gram counts for かっこつける I assumed it was the "correct" reading. It's messy as 格好 is often read both かっこう and かっこ.
I'm comfortable with keeping it all in the one entry. I'm not sure about the "[nokanji]" on かっこつける, but it's no big deal. |
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A* 2024-04-25 04:31:13 Non
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かっこつける May be colloquial even if it is the most, or only used reading. Derived forms tend to be considered colloquial until they have completely supplanted the original, after which point they may be elevated to the original's status. But that does not always occur, some vocabulary continues to be colloquial indefinitely even if the original is long gone.
For an example of the former case take the past た versus たる; for an example of the latter take the sentence-final け versus けり・ける.
If splitting the entry is undesirable, perhaps a note could be added to the same effect. |
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A* 2024-04-24 01:51:25 Marcus Richert
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I'm not really in favor of splitting based on minute differences in pronunciation, esp. as I don't think it's fair to say かっこつける is col when actually spoken (as I'd bet this is how everyone actually pronounces it). |
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A* 2024-04-24 00:34:11 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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[vi]: meikyo, sankoku
sankoku has a 話し言葉 tag on かっこつける.
smk has an entry for 格好つける【かっこうつける】 with this note at the bottom:
口頭語では「かっこつける」とも
カッコつける gets even more hits in the google corpus than the かっこつける form.
I think it might be best to make a new [col] entry for the かっこ form. Many of the kokugos (meikyo, smk, sankoku, daijr) seem to consider かっこ to be a corruption ("転") of 格好 rather than a reading for those kanji. |
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@@ -22,0 +23,4 @@
+<reb>カッコつける</reb>
+<re_nokanji/>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
@@ -30,0 +35 @@
+<pos>&vi;</pos> |
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A* 2024-04-23 21:47:24 Marcus Richert
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I think anon's right. |
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@@ -23,0 +24 @@
+<re_nokanji/>
@@ -27 +27,0 @@
-<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf> |
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A* 2024-04-23 09:25:34
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I think it's rather that 格好つける = かっこうつける
かっこつける doesn't have kanji
the same thing happens with かっこいい |
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A* 2024-04-23 05:09:23 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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格好つける 5285 29.5%
格好付ける 1033 5.8%
恰好つける 177 1.0% - to sK
恰好付ける 51 0.3% - to sK
かっこ付ける 74 0.4% - to sK
かっこうつける 171 1.0% - to sk
かっこつける 11153 62.2% <- GG5 |
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Seems that かっこつける is the correct reading.
Major simplification. |
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@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -14,0 +16 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -18 +20 @@
-<ke_inf>&ik;</ke_inf>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -21,5 +23 @@
-<reb>かっこうつける</reb>
-<re_restr>格好つける</re_restr>
-<re_restr>格好付ける</re_restr>
-<re_restr>恰好つける</re_restr>
-<re_restr>恰好付ける</re_restr>
+<reb>かっこつける</reb>
@@ -28,2 +26,2 @@
-<reb>かっこつける</reb>
-<re_inf>&ik;</re_inf>
+<reb>かっこうつける</reb>
+<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf> |
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A 2017-02-10 06:58:49 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Annoying. |
| 2. |
A* 2017-02-09 15:41:28 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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G n-grams:
格好つける 5285
格好付ける 1033
恰好つける 177
恰好付ける 51
かっこ付ける 74
かっこう付ける No matches
かっこつける 11153
かっこうつける 171 |
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@@ -10,0 +11,3 @@
+<keb>恰好つける</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
@@ -14 +17,2 @@
-<keb>かっこう付ける</keb>
+<keb>かっこ付ける</keb>
+<ke_inf>&ik;</ke_inf>
@@ -17,0 +22,4 @@
+<re_restr>格好つける</re_restr>
+<re_restr>格好付ける</re_restr>
+<re_restr>恰好つける</re_restr>
+<re_restr>恰好付ける</re_restr> |
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A* 2017-02-09 15:37:44 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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@@ -11,0 +12,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>かっこう付ける</keb> |