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A 2023-11-01 11:07:47 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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GG5: an iron; 〔平ごて〕 a flatiron; 〔箱形の〕 a box iron; a goose.
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火熨斗 397 |
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I think GG5's iron/flatiron is wrong. |
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-<gloss>a traditional ladle-shaped, charcoal-heated clothing iron</gloss>
+<gloss>traditional ladle-shaped, charcoal-heated clothing iron</gloss>
+<gloss>box iron</gloss> |
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A* 2023-10-30 18:57:02 Brian Krznarich <...address hidden...>
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https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/アイロン#炭火アイロン
「熨斗(『斗』はひしゃくでその形状をあらわす)」と言った。
日本大百科全書(ニッポニカ) confirms ladle-shape:
https://kotobank.jp/word/火熨斗-612051
小型の水柄杓(みずびしゃく)の形状をしていて
Previously-reported googits of 4million (still 1.4M today) may have been inflated (google returns 70 actual results for 火熨斗, 33 for 火のし):
火のし 682 63.2%
火熨斗 397 36.8%
Video history lesson on old irons(skipped to hinoshi section)...
https://youtu.be/ItmNablEsAg?t=84
https://kotobank.jp/word/火熨斗-612051
https://www.wafuworks.com.au/products/hinoshi-iron
This is a traditional kimono hinoshi iron that was filled with hot charcoal. I've included an old drawing to show how they were used.
https://chidorivintage.com/products/antique-c1900-japanese-charcoal-fire-iron-hinoshi-wood-handle-jk284
Japanese Charcoal Fire Iron Hinoshi Wood Handle
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Image search... Images in kokugos (in kotobank). All links have pictures.
2012 submission linked the "Iron" article from wikipedia and called it "an iron". It's the first iron listed in a chronologic history of all iron-like tools used in Japan.
Perhaps as a descriptive historic term that is not in practical use, 火熨斗 actually seems more prevalent in both yourei results and google results.
斗 is the kanji for ladle. the iron is roughly shaped like a ladle. The kanji mean fire + unwrinkling + ladle. We could make this entry slightly useful for kanji learners by making this association explicit in the gloss (as I have done). Or something like a literal translation of daijs: "wood-handled, flat-bottomed metal bowl into which heated coals are placed, used for ironing clothes."
I was going to just say "traditional charcoal heated clothing iron", but even that is inadequate, as new-fangled devices used charcoal for a while longer. Such as this(unrelated, not a hinoshi):
https://chidorivintage.com/products/antique-c1900-japanese-sad-iron-charcoal-jk440 |
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-<keb>火のし</keb>
+<keb>火熨斗</keb>
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-<keb>火熨斗</keb>
+<keb>火のし</keb>
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-<gloss>an iron</gloss>
+<misc>&hist;</misc>
+<gloss>a traditional ladle-shaped, charcoal-heated clothing iron</gloss> |
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A 2012-06-18 10:48:45 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2012-06-18 08:56:47 Paul Upchurch <...address hidden...>
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http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/アイロン
4M hits for "火のし" |
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+<k_ele>
+<keb>火のし</keb>
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