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A 2020-05-15 03:39:21 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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漬け焼き 18949
つけ焼き 10041
付け焼き 5971
漬焼き 1857
漬焼 2012
付焼き 1462
付焼 1737
つけやき 905 |
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+<k_ele>
+<keb>つけ焼き</keb> |
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A 2015-01-19 22:44:15 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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A* 2015-01-14 13:45:18 Marcus Richert
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ngrams
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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>付け焼き</keb>
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-<k_ele>
-<keb>付け焼き</keb>
-</k_ele>
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-<gloss>broiling with soy</gloss>
+<field>&food;</field>
+<gloss>dish broiled in a mix of soy sauce, mirin, etc.</gloss>
+<gloss>broiling with soy sauce, mirin, etc.</gloss> |
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A 2011-12-13 20:38:44 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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OK. It puts us very much in the "usage; not prescription" camp, but that's fine. |
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A* 2011-12-13 07:21:32 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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i have no idea. if there's a source that says とも書く and it gets more hits, i'm content to remove the iK |
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-<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf>
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-<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf>
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-<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf> |
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A* 2011-12-08 11:28:14 Nils Roland Barth <...address hidden...>
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(Just comments.)
* Regarding ordering of heads: I was told policy is generally usage (e.g., Google), w/o regards for how it’s listed in dictionaries (i.e., completely descriptive, not prescriptive)
* Dunno how “wrong” something has to be for [iK] – as you note, kotobank (講談社) has it (so maybe not [iK], but just variant), though the headword is 付け焼き.
* This is an interesting example where the commonly-used form and the dictionary headword are at odds (by an order of magnitude).
* BTW, 浸け焼き is also possible (due to 漬／浸 alternation), but looks pretty rare – de we want to include it?
(8,700, vs. 50,000+ for 付(け)焼(き) forms, and 500,000+ for 漬け焼き) (This seems pretty [iK]-worthy if so.) |
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A* 2011-12-08 04:59:24 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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In general I don't like "iK" entries going in front of the kosher surface forms (I probably should raise this as a policy question). But is the 漬 in 漬け焼き, etc. really wrong enough to be called iK? Also, is 漬け焼き really the same as 付け焼き. If I saw it for the first tome, I'd think it meant "grilled in pickles". Yes, I see Kotobank says "「漬け焼き」とも書く。" |
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A* 2011-12-07 11:18:45 Nils Roland Barth <...address hidden...>
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http://www.kikkoman.co.jp/homecook/search/recipe.php?numb=00002620
551,000 漬け焼き
96,000 漬焼き
59,000 漬焼
58,000 付焼き
55,000 付焼
52,000 付け焼き |
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Add alt kanji 漬 （漬(け)焼(き)) – marked as [iK] b/c not in dictionaries, but v. popular.
Interestingly, the dictionaries all give 付(け)焼(き) only, but 漬 is much more popular on the web, specifically 漬け焼き and it’s even on the Kikkoman website!
Saw at a family restaurant today and did a double-take. |
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-<keb>付け焼き</keb>
+<keb>漬け焼き</keb>
+<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>漬焼き</keb>
+<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>漬焼</keb>
+<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>付焼き</keb>
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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>付け焼き</keb> |