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<entry id="2310191" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1642960</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>二段ベッド</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>二段ベット</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>にだんベッド</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<gloss>bunk beds</gloss>
<gloss>double bunk</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2019-11-15 11:08:43" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I guess these forms should be added as they're common.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>二段ベッド	56365
二段ベット	14246</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -6,0 +7,4 @@
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;二段ベット&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;ik;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
@@ -8,0 +13,5 @@
+&lt;re_restr&gt;二段ベッド&lt;/re_restr&gt;
+&lt;/r_ele&gt;
+&lt;r_ele&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;にだんベッ&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;re_restr&gt;二段ベット&lt;/re_restr&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-11-17 17:39:41" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>technically should be split, i guess</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -16 +16 @@
-&lt;reb&gt;にだんベッ&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;にだんベット&lt;/reb&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-04-24 22:01:35" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>stephen</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>ベット is from the German word for bed (Bett). We and various refs mention it or have and entry for it (gg5, daijirin, smk).
I think we can drop the [ik] tag.

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーーー─┬────────┬───────╮
│ 二段ベッド  │ 56,365 │ 79.8% │
│ 二段ベット  │ 14,246 │ 20.2% │
│ にだんベッド │     53 │  0.1% │
│ にだんベット │      0 │  0.0% │
╰─ーーーーーー─┴────────┴───────╯</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -9 +8,0 @@
-&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;ik;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-04-24 22:06:01" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Probably should split it.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-04-24 23:40:54" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_detl>I don't think the pronunciation of ド as ト has anything to do with the German but is the same phenomenon that leads バッグ to be pronounced バック, ドラッグ as ドラック, ゴッド as ゴット (incidentally Gott in German) etc.

I think it should probably keep the ik? But should at the very least not be split out.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-04-25 01:54:08" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think Marcus is correct. The reading can be hidden.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -8,0 +9 @@
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;ik;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -12 +12,0 @@
-&lt;re_restr&gt;二段ベッド&lt;/re_restr&gt;
@@ -16 +16 @@
-&lt;re_restr&gt;二段ベット&lt;/re_restr&gt;
+&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;sk;&lt;/re_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-04-25 02:05:20" stat="A">
<upd_uid>stephen</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>The German connection is from daijirin, although none of the other refs mention it. The quoted pixiv entry hints at some possible Dutch influence.

I think the irregular tag might be too strong considering how common the form is and how many sources acknowledge it. Probably not a big deal either way.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Both forms get a ton of hits on twitter.

daijr:   ベット〖ドイツ Bett〗⇨ベッド
gg5:     ベット =ベッド.
nikk:    ベッド〘名〙 (英bed)⦅ベット⦆…
smk:     ベッド〔bed〕寝台。ベットとも。…
sankoku: ベッド⦅名⦆〔bed〕…〔なまって、ベット〕

https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%83%9B%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E3%83%89%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF
&gt;&gt; ホットドック
&gt;&gt;『ホットドッ“グ”』の誤記。
&gt;&gt; ドイツ語やオランダ語で語尾の「b,d,g」を「p,t,k」と発音するのにつられてできた発音間違いと思われるが、これは英語由来の外来語。
&gt;&gt; ちなみに「ベッド」は、ドイツ語では「ベット(Bett)」で綴りも違うが、オランダ語では「ベット(Bed)」。</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-04-26 00:44:19" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>With にだんベット hidden, 二段ベット needs to be hidden as well. Otherwise the reading is wrong. If we want it to be visible, I think it should be a separate entry.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-04-26 23:28:47" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Probably best to revert to the old restrictions and keep it as the one entry.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -12,0 +13 @@
+&lt;re_restr&gt;二段ベッド&lt;/re_restr&gt;
@@ -16 +17 @@
-&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;sk;&lt;/re_inf&gt;
+&lt;re_restr&gt;二段ベット&lt;/re_restr&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-04-27 01:16:03" stat="A">
<upd_uid>stephen</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>In that case, I think it's useful to have the corresponding reading tagged as irregular as well.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -17,0 +18 @@
+&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;ik;&lt;/re_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-08-28 06:17:16" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think -ト should be hidden, that's what I've done for the other 20-ish entries with ベッド in them. Setting up restrictions for all of them seems like unnecessary work. Splitting all of them into 2 entries, as well.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-08-28 06:49:31" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Like this?</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -9 +9 @@
-&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;ik;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;sK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -13,6 +12,0 @@
-&lt;re_restr&gt;二段ベッド&lt;/re_restr&gt;
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;にだんベット&lt;/reb&gt;
-&lt;re_restr&gt;二段ベット&lt;/re_restr&gt;
-&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;ik;&lt;/re_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>



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