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jmdict 2858819 Active (id: 2277748)
<entry id="2277748" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2858819</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>車輪窓</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>しゃりんまど</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="2858832">バラ窓</xref>
<field>&archit;</field>
<misc>&rare;</misc>
<gloss>wheel window</gloss>
<gloss>rose window</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2023-09-20 14:02:29" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_refs>研究社 リーダーズ英和辞典 第3版; 世界大百科事典第二版</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-09-21 05:50:25" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Not sure it's needed.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>車輪窓	21</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -11,0 +12,2 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;rare;&lt;/misc&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;circular window&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-09-21 18:47:06" stat="D" unap="true">
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>It's not difficult to make a list of words in gg5, nikkoku, etc. that aren't in JMdict.

Without doing the homework, the odds of entering inaccurate or misleading info are high.
The odds of these obsolete terms being useful to anyone are low.

I think it'd be better if submissions like this without any stated motivation or research were summarily deleted.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-09-22 00:21:33" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>It has an entry in Brit ("see ばら窓") and is mentioned in its and sekai daihyakka jiten's ばら窓 entries. I don't think we have to worry about the meaning being misconstrued here. I don't think there's an issue with having entries like these (though I think there's a lot of [arch] stuff that could be thrown out).</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-09-22 18:10:24" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I also don't think there's necessarily an issue with having entries like these.
My problem is a combination of two things.

1. Someone is randomly selecting obsolete words from old dictionaries and encyclopedias to submit. Notice how five "輪" words (操縦輪, 玉輪, 車輪窓, 輪癬, 輪講会) all arrived at the same time.
2. No research is provided regarding the role of the word in contemporary Japanese. Someone else has to go investigate it. I don't think these old references can be safely taken at face value.

I wouldn't raise a fuss if either of these two points were addressed.
If we really want to decide which words to investigate by throwing a dart at a list, I'd be happy to put together a list of words from smaller Reiwa-era dictionaries (sankoku, shinmeikai, iwakoku) that aren't in JMdict.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-09-22 22:52:32" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>the reference is the research, i think. it doesn't seem like there was really anything wrong with the original submission, except maybe a couple of tags and a cross-reference were missing.

much (or most) of the dictionary was compiled by cross-referencing various word lists against dictionaries and encyclopedias. between 2007 and 2020, i submitted thousands of entries from various word lists and random things i was reading, cross-referenced against dictionaries.

arbitrary cruft is no good, but this submission is a headword in britannica</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>ブリタニカ国際大百科事典:

車輪窓[しゃりんまど]
「ばら窓」のページをご覧ください。

ばら窓[ばらまど]
rose window
建築用語。車輪窓とも呼ばれる。

therefore, matching only gloss at ばら窓. i guess a rose window is a kind of circular window?</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -11,0 +12,2 @@
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2858832"&gt;ばら窓&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;field&gt;&amp;archit;&lt;/field&gt;
@@ -13 +14,0 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;circular window&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-09-22 23:45:52" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Mentioned in Sekai.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +12 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2858832"&gt;ばら窓&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2858832"&gt;バラ窓&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -14,0 +15 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;wheel window&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>



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