<entry id="2228035" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2215020</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>賽</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>采</keb>
<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>骰子</keb>
<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>さい</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="1574680">サイコロ</xref>
<misc>&form;</misc>
<gloss>dice</gloss>
<gloss>die</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2007-10-06 00:00:00" stat="A">
<upd_detl>Entry created</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-04-06 17:03:03" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Brian Krznarich</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Main points:
1. sankoku doesn't give 采
2. wikipedia doesn't list 采 for dice in its intro. (Does list さい・賽)
3. image results return no dice for formulations with 采
4. 采を振る, rare already, doesn't primarily mean "roll dice", it means "wave a baton" 采配を振る (at least most commonly)
5. rather than just count ngrams of 賽 and 采, I have considered them in the context of doing dice-like things (を振る、を投げる,~の目) which confirm that sankoku has a reason to omit 采 entirely.

I think this entry needs to be split.  I've deleted the baton meaning with the idea that someone might re-create it as a separate entry.  I've made this entry look like I think it *should* look for dice.  This includes a single-mora reading of 骰子, given by sankoku and seemingly confirmed by furigana.info. Marked 賽 as [form] following sankoku, but that seems a little strong.  But certainly サイコロ is the common, everyday form.  

Here is a perfect match(and the only image match for 采を振って) on twitter (a mascot at a traditional sporting event waving a baton):
https://twitter.com/kazumin_sh41/status/1581141712159637504
This was meaning [2], for which 采 may be the only applicable kanji (short for 采配). It is certainly the primary kanji for this meaning. I have not looked at this in detail. 

賽を振って　many pictures, half of which actually have dice:
https://twitter.com/search?q=%22%E8%B3%BD%E3%82%92%E6%8C%AF%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A6%22&amp;src=typed_query&amp;f=image

Learners should learn サイコロ. If they want to learn the single-mora form, they should learn 賽.  采 appears to be a point of odd trivia (it does appear in daijs next to 賽).</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>This is probably the most important piece of info right here:
賽の目	13866	17.2%
采の目	585	0.7%

Do a google image search, and 采の目 doesn't even return dice.  However much 采 might sometimes mean 賽, it is not by any means a common form (its odd blessing as an alternate form in 賽は投げられた being the seemingly-odd exception).

Other forms:
さいの目	37860	47.0%. WARNING: cubed vegetables
サイの目	8044	10.0%. WARNING: "eyes of a rhino" (google images) 犀＝サイ
賽子の目	53	0.1%
サイコロの目	20120	25.0% The modern form wins out over any kanji entry
骰子の目	45	0.1%

Rolling dice:
サイコロを振る	10799	80.8%
賽を振る	1149	8.6%
サイを振る	348	2.6%
采を振る	71	0.5% #采 rare, and this expression means "to wave a baton"

賽を投げた	627	4.7%
サイコロを投げた	284	2.1%
サイを投げた	90	0.7%
采を投げた	0	0.0%  采 does not make it onto the ngrams at all

骰子 
https://furigana.info/w/%E9%AA%B0%E5%AD%90
50% さい
50% サイコロ

sankoku さい：賽・骰子
「文」：さいころ
＊さいは投げられた...句 (we have this)

Reverso 采+dice (no matches)
https://context.reverso.net/translation/japanese-english/%E9%87%87#dice

Reverso 賽+dice a few results
https://context.reverso.net/translation/japanese-english/%E8%B3%BD#dice

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B5%E3%82%A4%E3%82%B3%E3%83%AD
サイコロ（骰子、賽子）、または賽（さい） 
采　not used, except for a final note at the end(Note, also identifies these as ateji):
「さいころ」の「さい」は、「塞」または「簺」の音読みであり、双六に似たゲーム、もしくはそれに使うサイコロのことである。それに接尾辞「ころ」が付いて、「さいころ」となった。 「采・賽」は当て字である。

yourei baton examples (just looked to see if 采 ever appears there as "dice") 采振りの二人 = two baton-waving individuals
踊る喜びや確かな誇りがある。剣櫂、采振りの二人の呼吸が渾然一体となる踊りこそが見どころである。
Waving a flag or baton after a battle:
敵の本隊さえたたきつぶせば、なんのこともないからだ。「かかれ」 鳶の巣山の戦いにややおくれて、勝頼さまは采を振られた。ご本陣から最前線まで、さほどのへだたりはない。

In short, maybe 5~10+ baton-wavers among the results, no dice.

The gambling game with ピンゾロ (a roll of all ones)... Same as yahtzee- wikipedia articles on dice games just use サイコロ, in kana, which lends credence to this being [form]
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%81%E3%83%B3%E3%83%81%E3%83%AD%E3%83%AA%E3%83%B3</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -5 +5,2 @@
-&lt;keb&gt;采&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;賽&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;ateji;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -8 +9,7 @@
-&lt;keb&gt;賽&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;骰子&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;rK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;采&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;ateji;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;rK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -18 +25 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1574680"&gt;骰子&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1574680"&gt;サイコロ&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -19,0 +27 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;form;&lt;/misc&gt;
@@ -22,6 +29,0 @@
-&lt;/sense&gt;
-&lt;sense&gt;
-&lt;stagr&gt;さい&lt;/stagr&gt;
-&lt;pos&gt;&amp;n;&lt;/pos&gt;
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1295140"&gt;采配・1&lt;/xref&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;baton (of command)&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2023-04-06 23:50:34" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>The only reason I can see for splitting out "baton" into a separate entry is that [rK] on 采 only applies to the "dice" sense. If it weren't for that, a [restr=采] tag on sense 2 would have sufficed.
We'd need a better source for the ateji claim. None of the kokugos mark 賽 and 采 as ateji.
abbr was on the wrong sense.
I think the さえ reading can be dropped. Only koj and nikk have it. Presumably archaic.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -6 +6,4 @@
-&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;ateji;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;采&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;rK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
@@ -12,5 +14,0 @@
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
-&lt;keb&gt;采&lt;/keb&gt;
-&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;ateji;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
-&lt;ke_inf&gt;&amp;rK;&lt;/ke_inf&gt;
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
@@ -19,3 +16,0 @@
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;さえ&lt;/reb&gt;
@@ -26 +20,0 @@
-&lt;misc&gt;&amp;abbr;&lt;/misc&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>